Derren Brown new TV show.
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The self-expose/sum-up at the end was great, using video clips of the various suggested words and numbers. I only conciously spotted and remembered the incredibly blatant "influential" myself, waiting for it to crop up later.
The nail up the nose wasn't up to blockhead standards IMO, but still made me wince!
The nail up the nose wasn't up to blockhead standards IMO, but still made me wince!
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As a "magician" myself I can't decide wether he actually influenced tehse people or not.I tend to think "not" as it's a huge gamble to rely on suggestion alone.But as when I saw him live I've no idea how the newspaper trick works-in whole at least.
Have you read Pure Effect? I think Brown uses alot of suggestion in his work.As a "magician" myself I can't decide wether he actually influenced tehse people or not.I tend to think "not" as it's a huge gamble to rely on suggestion alone.But as when I saw him live I've no idea how the newspaper trick works-in whole at least.
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As a "magician" myself I can't decide wether he actually influenced tehse people or not.I tend to think "not" as it's a huge gamble to rely on suggestion alone.But as when I saw him live I've no idea how the newspaper trick works-in whole at least.
i was wondering that myself....not that i'm a proper magician or anything
some bits such as the forcing of choosing page 14 and the selection of the piece of paper with "influential" on i would have thought would have worked without the previous subliminal cues -
i'm sure you could do some statistical research to show that in a situation where an entire auditorium of people is waiting on your choice (in the case of the newspaper headline) that you would be self conscious enough to not want to keep people waiting too long, whilst not wishing to choose the first couple of headlines, thus "spoiling" the drama....i also noticed he tapped the paper three times quite loudly before reading the third article - quite a blatant cue to choose it (i watched derren brown previously explaining using similar techniques to direct someone to choosing a particular card....)
Put all this together, I'd expect the third article would be chosen in most occasions regardless of previous subliminal spookiness....
equally in the choosing of the number of pieces to count off - that's just a rather simple magician's trick - as long as you know where the piece is that you want to be chosen is, you can manipulate which pieces you count to ensure they end up with the requied one...
but how to direct someone in the audience to choose p14 over the other 3 possible sides, and then to drop half the torn up page does seem rather a lot to leave to chance....
maybe the back of page 14 was not "attractive" - say an advert or the financial section....but even so it's impressive...
after watching derren brown's The Heist, he does seem to have a remarkable ability to control people's actions
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Without revealing secrets-it is obvious after re-watching,page 14 wasn't forced or influenced.Derren read ads from one paper over different pages until girl said stop.She didn't know what page the ads were on.So the "14" suggestion was bluff.
Yes I've read Pure Effect,but suggetsion on a small scale is one thing to do it as Derren cheekily claims in the end of show VT is another!
I think I have it figured out now mostly.The choosing of the actual word on a piece of paper is still foxing me though.
Yes I've read Pure Effect,but suggetsion on a small scale is one thing to do it as Derren cheekily claims in the end of show VT is another!
I think I have it figured out now mostly.The choosing of the actual word on a piece of paper is still foxing me though.
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it's interesting isn't it? it's almost as if we're more impressed with "science" than "magic" now - do a magic trick - and no matter how good it is, it's just a trick - but explain how it wasn't actually a trick at all - that it was mind-control - and it becomes all the more impressive....
derren seems to blur the line really well between magic tricks and non-tricks.....
this youtube clip is of derren using a simple trick "out of this world" to imply (or show how succeptible people are to the suggestion of) supernaturality of image....
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mod note. i don't ever post in this section so i don't know what precisely constitutes "revealing magic secrets" - if naming tricks does then feel free to edit that bit....
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I am not authority enough. The man is a magician.
I do find it a little bit amusing that some of his fans seem to have forgotten what he says about his tricks http://www.derrenbrown.co.uk/
"He doesn't claim to be a mind-reader, instead he describes his craft as a mixture of magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship."
Once the camera is rolling or he is being interviewed as "Darren Brown the entertainer" he is playing a part. In other words what magicians have always done.
"He doesn't claim to be a mind-reader, instead he describes his craft as a mixture of magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship."
Once the camera is rolling or he is being interviewed as "Darren Brown the entertainer" he is playing a part. In other words what magicians have always done.
At TAM4, Penn was saying that magicians don't reveal their methods for two reasons. One, to keep them safe, and two, because many of them are so utterly simple, mundane and downright ugly, the audience would either not believe it or just be turned off magic forever.
This is particularly true for Derren Brown, although I really admire his skill and the packaging he's woven around his tricks. But by golly, some folk would be horrified if they knew their favourite psychology stunts are aided by hidden cameras and microphones. So much so, that I doubt they'd believe it.
But I think that adds to his act, not takes away. Magic is all about presentation, who cares what the mechanics are?
This is particularly true for Derren Brown, although I really admire his skill and the packaging he's woven around his tricks. But by golly, some folk would be horrified if they knew their favourite psychology stunts are aided by hidden cameras and microphones. So much so, that I doubt they'd believe it.
But I think that adds to his act, not takes away. Magic is all about presentation, who cares what the mechanics are?
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Yes, one of my friends appeared on one of his TV shows when she was a psychology student. She made some very revealing observations.
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Do tell.
Yes, and feel free to PM one or more of us if you'd rather not reply on the thread.
I'm not too surprised to hear that his explanation was not in fact the method he used; like all magicians you can't trust him as far as you could throw him. He muddies the waters further these days with his apparent "debunking" stance and associated demonstrations.
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Yes, and feel free to PM one or more of us if you'd rather not reply on the thread.
I'm not too surprised to hear that his explanation was not in fact the method he used; like all magicians you can't trust him as far as you could throw him. He muddies the waters further these days with his apparent "debunking" stance and associated demonstrations.
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Yes, and feel free to PM one or more of us if you'd rather not reply on the thread.
I'm not too surprised to hear that his explanation was not in fact the method he used; like all magicians you can't trust him as far as you could throw him. He muddies the waters further these days with his apparent "debunking" stance and associated demonstrations.
Have you seen the analysis from Seance Big Les? I dont want to bash Derren,but some of his claims of not using stooges is rather dubious.
It doesn't matter if you haven't actually seen Seance but it was part of a thread on the old forum.Anyway here it is thanks to Darat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhaUpOkShOQ
2.86 seconds that I cannot figure out.
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