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Derren Brown And The Attack Of The Zombies

Dr Adequate

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I'm surprised no-one's mentioned it. For those who didn't see it, here's what we saw.

A guy walks into a pub and starts playing a video game involving shooting zombies. It's one of those ones where you point a gun at the screen to aim and fire. The game is conected by wires to a control room where a guy operated the game, and DB gave instructions as to tempo and to flashes of light, which seemed to be important. We get to watch what's going on on screen as the boy plays the game.

After a while, the lad's head and arms drop, as though in a trance, though he remains standing. DB springs out of the control room, gets a couple of onlookers (the lad's friends, it seems) to help him strap the lad onto a gurney, wheels him outside, round the corner, up a ramp, and into a building with the exact same topography as the game he was playing, and with the same mood lighting. He's wheeled to the same place he was in the game, released, stood up (head bowed, arms limp) and has a rather larger gun placed in his unresisting hand.

DB and the bystanders then retire to a second control room, and DB awakens the lad with the sound of one of those hand-held klaxons.

Then a lot of actors dressed as zombies start lurching out at him.

I shall draw a veil over the distressing scenes that followed.

In the end he is cornered and DB comes for him. He unlike the actors, doesn't fall when he is shot, but just keeps on coming. He bows the lads head, and possibly says something in his ear --- at least, he's in the appropriate posture.

Then it's back onto the gurney and into the pub. The lad, though seemingly in a trance, is not a dead weight, and you can hear DB saying things like "I'm going to stand you up now", while getting him off the gurney. He's put back in front of the video game, the gun that goes with it is put back into his hands. His head is still bowed. DB retires again, leaving him with his friends, and he is once more awakened by the sound of the klaxon. The video machine says "Game over".

He then starts enthusing to his friends about how good the game was, and how involving. When DB pops out of his hidey hole saying "I'm DB, I designed the game", the lad used some phrase about "putting them in pubs up and down the country". He has, apparently, no recollection of anything but playing a very exciting and involving video game.
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Okay, skeptics. First of all, let's slide down Occam's razor again. Oh ye of little faith in hypnosis --- what do you say happened?

Second, if that was hypnosis, was what DB did remotely ethical or even legal? (I guess the great thing about being DB, though, is that you have no trouble getting people to sign release forms.)

Third, is the behaviour of the bystanders surprising or disturbing? It reminded me of the famous "obedience experiments" (which, incidentally, would not now be considered ethical).

Fourth, if Azrael5 has videoed this --- how am I as an eyewitness? Any confabulation there?
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I'm never going to play another pub video game. I'm going to stay well away from the jukebox as well --- you can't be too careful.
 
Somebody bumped a relevant thread in the TV and Entertainment forum area to discuss this, but I think you're right, it needs its own thread.

I read the critical comment in Radio Times from reviewers who had seen preview tapes, and didn't bother to watch, sorry.

Rolfe.
 
Dr Adequate said:


Okay, skeptics. First of all, let's slide down Occam's razor again. Oh ye of little faith in hypnosis --- what do you say happened?

The guy was a plant.
 
I assume the people in the pub were invited guests only and had been vetted and primed in some way. This trick reminded me of the seance episode when Derren essentially told, and demonstrated to, the participants that people at seances were actually just acting but the students involved still went ahead and acted how they thought they were supposed to. Even Shirley Ghostman achieved this effect at his "spirit academy".So my guess is that the player was just going along with what he thought he was supposed to do, imagining himself to be hypnotised, possessed or whatever. One of Derrens unknowing stooges.
 
This guy was playing a video game in a pub; he had no way of knowing he was supposed to be hypnotised.
 
Saw the show, Dr A's description is accurate IMO. Just to add that the "real" gun was one of those paintball jobs and that the guy got to meet the cast of zombies at the end - back in the pub they all stood around in costume and applauded him after DB had explained the stunt.
Anyway, my money's on hypnosis.
Not a plant/stooge because people talk etc,

I bet he had to give it a few tries before he caught someone sufficiently susceptible, though. ;)

Oh, and I'm not at all surprised by the apparent indifference of the bystanders, especially given the presence of a camera crew.
 
mummymonkey said:
This guy was playing a video game in a pub; he had no way of knowing he was supposed to be hypnotised.

Are you seriously suggesting that C4 would allow Derren to kidnap an unwitting member of the public? At the very least the player had to have signed something before he was removed from the pub.
 
I got curious after I red DrA's description, so I watched the show. I didn't buy it. For one thing, I doubt anyone would pay to play a video game that looked like that, unless I fell asleep and woke up back in 1992.
 
Dragon said:
Saw the show, Dr A's description is accurate IMO. Just to add that the "real" gun was one of those paintball jobs and that the guy got to meet the cast of zombies at the end - back in the pub they all stood around in costume and applauded him after DB had explained the stunt.

Definte plant then. Paintball guns have to be handled with care (espcialy if you consider in most shooting games you are meant to aim for the head just where you don't want people aiming paintballs).
 
I don't think we can go about positing hypnosis as an explanation, unless we can agree that hypnosis exists.

Has it been established that hypnosis exists as anything other than a person feeling very relaxed? I mean, as an altered state of conciousness (whatever that means) where a person becomes a lot more suggestible than normal. And can it be swiftly induced by a couple of flashing lights?
 
Well, at the very least it's someone's (unconcious?) roleplaying along with the hypnotist. Whether it's much more than that I don't know, but needless to say I doubt it's anything but a little bit of psychology.
 
simper said:
Are you seriously suggesting that C4 would allow Derren to kidnap an unwitting member of the public? At the very least the player had to have signed something before he was removed from the pub.
No, I didn't suggest that. I'm just wondering how he was supposed to know what to do. With a stage act the 'hypnotist' directs the volunteers. Here, the guy was in a different room.
Unless Brown was typing messages into the computer game. "Okay, drop the gun and go into a trance now please."
 
Dragon said:
Just to add that the "real" gun was one of those paintball jobs
I think the gun was just a noise maker. The splats of blood were those little percussion capsules sewn into the actor's costumes that are used in films.
 
I am now completely convinced that Brown uses plants. How could the producers of the show get away with kidnapping and imprisoning a member of the public otherwise?
 
mummymonkey said:
I think the gun was just a noise maker. The splats of blood were those little percussion capsules sewn into the actor's costumes that are used in films.
Possibly, or it could be a low-powered paintball gun, the sort that uses a spring rather than CO<sub>2</sub>. If it was just a noise maker it could have looked exactly like the one in the pub.

On the "kidnapping" issue I can see ways around that - the player could have been approached by a member of the production team before he tried the game and been told that it was some sort of experiment and that strange things might happen but that he would not be harmed and his friends would be with him all the time.
I find that more plausible than an outright plant (i.e a complicit actor). The risk of exposure would, I think, be too great for DB - who always insists he doesn't use plants.
 
I saw it last night. I thought it was rubbish. I'm certain that the guy was either a plant or someone just playing along for a joke.

When I'm playing shooting games, I don't run around shouting "What the f*#ks going on?". And the guy wasn't doing that when he was playing the game in the pub.
 
Persojally I thought plant when watching it,not re-watched so I cant be certain but Derren says something to the guys friends like" You did what I asked you to do?" or "You've done everything I asked you,great."(later Ill double check)
It was all too convinient,and the guy could have sued their asses,surely?

From a magic point of view I thought it was garbage.:(

Lets see what the DB forumites think of it....oops cant Im banned,lol.;)
 
I don't think it can have been hypnosis since it is illegal in the UK to show an hypnotic induction on television. So if DB was claimng some form of hypnosis as the mechanism behind the trick he wouldn't be able to show all of it, only the parts before and after the induction was done.

DB has also always claimed that he doesn't use hypnosis (for what that's worth...)
 
Not seen this - is it a special or part of an episode (if so, which one)?

Anyway, without even seeing it, I can tell you that Brown is not above using a plant or stooge in his act.
He considers himself a mentalist act and they have always used stooges for certain tricks so as much as it is cheating the audience and 'copping out' it's part of a long tradition so he'll just do it without any shame.

This could also be an auto-stooge. Something stage hypnotists rely on.
The difference is that they aren't people the performer knows, they're just playing along.
Once you're on stage in front of 100s/1000s of people, it's less embarrassing to just pretend and play along than it is to ruin the whole show by calling the hypnotist a fraud.

Also, remember that Browns shows are heavily edited. As Azrael and Camillus seem to indicate, there's an initial part of this that you don't get to see.

Brown also claimed at the beginning of every episode of series 1 that he doesn't use magic tricks.
Hmm.
 
I haven't seen it, but couldn't Derren have done this with many people, until someone played along?
 

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