Consumer Reports article on alternative treatments

aargh57

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I have a coworker who sees an acupuncturist quite frequently for his knee problems (possibly back also). He mentioned today that Consumer Reports endorses acupunture so I asked if I could see the article. I read the article and here is a link to part of it from CR's site:
http://www.consumerreports.org/main...sR2xnJo1Kiw3rR8rivLNNkPBWGK970RQpCMRV1RmaQImW|5467274427734530976/169937913/6/7005/7005/7002/7002/7005/-1|1853084926799458864/169937902/6/7005/7005/7002/7002/7005/-1&CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=662795&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=162687&bmUID=1122040677539

(gee that's long, can someone tell me how to edit that so it's shorter)
I'm not a member either but he gave me the magazine.

Anyway, you have to be a subscriber to get the full article but it's basically just a survey of their readers and not any clinical study:

"Respondents based their opinions of a treatment's effectiveness on personal experience, not laboratory measurement's, so the results can't be compared to scientific clinical results."

It basically asked if various treatments
1. Helped me feel much better
2. Helped me somewhat

Then it had a graph and compared them to Prescription and over-the-counter drugs.

It found that most respondents were as favorable towards the alt. treatments as conventional medicine.

The thing that disturbs me is that they are treating this as if it were cars or vacuum cleaners. I think there is value in taking a satisfaction survey for those products but I don't think it should be extended to health care. Do you think that I'm wrong in seperating the two?

I know that a lot of Americans look at Consumer Reports as a very reputable and impartial organization from which they base many of their buying decisions on. The article comes off as very positive towards alt. treatments and I can see where my coworker sees this as an endorsement. (Although for back pain only 20% said it made them feel much better and 25% said it helped somewhat. I think his percetion of how good the treatment works translated those numbers into a glowing endorsement.)
 
Hmmm.... can you say "placebo effect"?

Maybe someone should fax Consumer Reports a definition of the term? ;)
 
Bad science

First, let me point out hat your buddy is an excellent proof it don't work. If Acypunture works so well, how come he sees the practicioner 'frequently'?

Now re: CR- I'd think most members expect 'sientific studies', not non-scientific polls. Your buddy is a prime example of the ignorant citizen assuming the poll was a scientific finding. It looks like CR is leaning towards woo, like the schools, the government....
 
You can change any URL to a link like this (quote my post to see how). Another option is tinyurl.com. It turned that URL into:

http://tinyurl.com/dw22b

Although I think there might be something wrong with the URL.

As for your other question, what is the difference between "real" pain reduction, and pain reduction that is "just" a placebo effect?
 
Art Vandelay said:
As for your other question, what is the difference between "real" pain reduction, and pain reduction that is "just" a placebo effect?
To turn this round another way, why does such a large proportion of studies apparently showing that various CAMs are effective seem to deal with things like pain reduction?
 

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