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Congress: We don't need no Constitution

thaiboxerken

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They've decided to write and pass a bill specific to one person, and one person only. This is highly unconstitutional and is just pandering to the religious right. I'm sure glad I didn't vote Republican in the last elections, I'd feel stupid if I did.

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20050321/D88V1AE80.html?PG=home&SEC=news

President Bush rushed back from his Texas ranch for a chance to sign the measure that Republicans view as an opportunity to strengthen their support among religious conservatives ahead of next year's congressional elections.
 
Man....talk about a bunch of vultures grandstanding over someone else's misery....

Congress is beyond disgusting with this bizzare maneuver.
 
thaiboxerken said:
They've decided to write and pass a bill specific to one person, and one person only. This is highly unconstitutional and is just pandering to the religious right. I'm sure glad I didn't vote Republican in the last elections, I'd feel stupid if I did.

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20050321/D88V1AE80.html?PG=home&SEC=news

President Bush rushed back from his Texas ranch for a chance to sign the measure that Republicans view as an opportunity to strengthen their support among religious conservatives ahead of next year's congressional elections.

Given that SCOTUS has refused on two seperate occasions to review this case, there is no doubt they will slap this "law" down too. The sad thing is, that since most of these phonies are lawyers, they know that. They are only interested in getting votes from their fetophile supporters. They have zero interest in Terry or her "rights".
 
Excerpts from the bill:

"The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear, determine, and render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Theresa Marie Schiavo for the alleged violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life."

"Any parent of Theresa Marie Schiavo shall have standing to bring a suit under this act. The suit may be brought against any other person who was a party to State court proceedings relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain the life of Theresa Marie Schiavo, or who may act pursuant to a state court order authorizing or directing the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.

Sounds like a bill of attainder to me.

http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20050320/D88UVMDG0.html
 
Republicans defined their extraordinary efforts in the context of the sanctity of life: "A society is judged by the way that it treats its most vulnerable citizens," said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind.

Paging Hubert Humphrey.

I wonder if Pence stated the reference, a la Randi and Ben Franklin...
 
a_unique_person said:
In what way is it unconstitutional?

It's not just Congress, the Pres is clearly in on it too.

It's a bill of attainder, which is unconstitutional.
 
Bizarre

I believe this is one of the most bizarre things I have seen Congress do.

So what if another judge eventually rules to remove the tubes again?

I wonder what action will be taken by Congress then?

This type of action and power is almost scary when you think about it.
 
thaiboxerken said:
They've decided to write and pass a bill specific to one person, and one person only. This is highly unconstitutional and is just pandering to the religious right. I'm sure glad I didn't vote Republican in the last elections, I'd feel stupid if I did.

Don't be such a clueless liberal. First of all, budget and tax bills usually have written, and somewhat hidden, tax breaks for a specific person, business, or corporation. That's been happening for decades.

Second, I think the republicans are on the right side of this Terry Schiavo for many reasons. It's the looney left that is showing why they can't win elections anymore.
 
A Definition I found seems to disagree, in the sense that a bill of attainder refers only to naming someone or a group for punishment. Not for other reasons.

Keywords: Bill of Attainder > According to Black's Law Dictionary (Sixth Edition), bills of attainder are "legislative acts, no matter what their form, that apply either to named individuals or to easily ascertainable members of a group in such a way as to inflict punishment on them without a judicial trial. ... An act is a 'bill of attainder' when the punishment is death and a 'bill of pains and penalties' when the punishment is less severe; both kinds of punishment fall within the scope of the constitutional prohibition."
 
Well, the Senate just passed the bill. Bush is sure to sign it. I hope whatever Federal Court they assign this case to will understand how unconstitutional the bill is and drop it. If this isn't a bil of attainder, isn't it still the Federal Government overstepping it's authority over a State issue? Would it be constitutional for the government to pass a bill that favors an individual? I mean, could they pass a bill that says 1% of all taxes have to go to Thaiboxerken, constitutionally?
 
thaiboxerken said:
Well, the Senate just passed the bill. Bush is sure to sign it. I hope whatever Federal Court they assign this case to will understand how unconstitutional the bill is and drop it. If this isn't a bil of attainder, isn't it still the Federal Government overstepping it's authority over a State issue? Would it be constitutional for the government to pass a bill that favors an individual? I mean, could they pass a bill that says 1% of all taxes have to go to Thaiboxerken, constitutionally?

It's not a bill of attainder and it is just congress flexing it's constitutional power to veto the judicial. The fact that it initially involves two parties means nothing. Remember roe vs. wade?
 
This is 100% pure political grandstanding. They don't even seem to be pretending otherwise. It is one more example of politicians wasting time doing something pointless sor no better reason than to appear to be doing something about a problem that doesn't really exist. They are using this woman in a cynical ploy to win votes.

Pfeh.
 
a few facts...

The bill for the relief of the parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo (S. 686) does not create a new cause if action. Rather, it simply allows a de novo review of “alleged violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the United States” in federal court. Further, S. 686 makes clear that “Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the several States.”

Consequently, S. 686 does not “reopen[] (or direct[] the reopening of) final judgments in a whole class of cases [or] in a particular suit.” Plaut v. Spendthrift Farm, Inc., 514 U.S. 211, 227 (1995). This is because any final determination made by the Florida courts regarding Florida state law will remain final under S. 686. S. 686 merely requires that a federal court assume jurisdiction over the federal law claims of Theresa Marie Schiavo. Doing so for Theresa Marie Schiavo is proper, as the Supreme Court in Plaut made clear that “The premise that there is something wrong with particularized legislative action is of course questionable. While legislatures usually act through laws of general applicability, that is by no means their only legitimate mode of action.” Plaut v. Spendthrift Farm, Inc., 514 U.S. 211, 239 n.9 (1995).

S. 686 also presents no problems regarding retrospective application. The Supreme Court has held that “A statute does not operate ‘retrospectively’ merely because it is applied in a case arising from conduct antedating the statute's enactment .., or upsets expectations based in prior law. Rather, the court must ask whether the new provision attaches new legal consequences to events completed before its enactment.” Landgraf v. USI Film Products, 511 U.S. 244, 269-70 (1994). S. 686 does not attach any new legal consequences to events completed before its enactment. S. 686 merely “changes the tribunal that is to hear the case,” and it is entirely proper to have a federal court hear federal law claims. See Landgraf v. USI Film Products, 511 U.S. 244, 274-75 (1994) (“Application of a new jurisdictional rule usually takes away no substantive right but simply changes the tribunal that is to hear the case. Present law normally governs in such situations because jurisdictional statutes speak to the power of the court rather than to the rights or obligations of the parties ... Changes in procedural rules may often be applied in suits arising before their enactment without raising concerns about retroactivity ... Because rules of procedure regulate secondary rather than primary conduct, the fact that a new procedural rule was instituted after the conduct giving rise to the suit does not make application of the rule at trial retroactive.”) (quotations and citations omitted).



http://judiciary.house.gov/newscenter.aspx?A=465
 
Ignoring attainder, doesn't the federal goverment lack and jurisdiction in this case anyway? It's still unconstitutional.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I'm sure glad I didn't vote Republican in the last elections, I'd feel stupid if I did.
Also known as poisoning the well. Thanks Ken.

I already started a thread on this subject.

Congress has no place in the Schiavo case.

Regardless of what one thinks of this issue there is simply no justification in my mind for this unprecedented action.

This is not the purpose of the senate. Republicans complain of activist judges, well what is this but an activist congress.

A "witness"? Are you out of your f***ing mind?
Ken, I don't fill stupid because my representatives are acting like a-holes. But thanks for the fallacy.
 
It's great that our senate is wasting time and money to take care of such important matters as steroids in baseball and a vegetable in Florida.
 

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