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Communism in Illinois

Tony

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/gaming/2003/apr/25/514996239.html

CHICAGO -- Gov. Rod Blagojevich said Thursday he is considering an unprecedented state takeover of Illinois' casinos and hiring a company to operate them for the state's profit -- an idea immediately called absurd by experts in and out of the gaming industry.

He also said he is considering auctioning off the nine licenses currently in use to raise money to fill the state's $5 billion budget deficit.

The casino industry immediately called the proposals "preposterous."

The governor said his legal, budget and policy teams are "aggressively" exploring the idea of taking back the casino licenses. He pointed to a casino in Ontario, Canada, that is state-owned but run by a separate management firm.

"It's conceivable, for example, that the state can own the boat and hire Harrah's or MGM to do the management and pay them a management fee," Blagojevich said. "But instead of the profits going to the casino industry, they would go to the state and the difference would be the cost of the management fee that they would get for their services."


Since when does education trump freedom?
 
Tony, Tony, Tony, you have just scratched the tip of the iceberg that is the sordid world of Illinois politics and legalized riverboat gambling. I'll do my best to explain this situation to your well-intentioned but naive Texas view of this.

1) In the last decade or so Illinois decided to have limited casino gambling, to bring badly needed revenue to downstate (here in Illinois if it's not Chicago or the immediate suburbs it's called "downstate") towns down on their luck.
2) This would take the form of riverboats, you get on the boat, it departs for a several hour gambling cruise on the Mississippi or Illinois river, supposedly this will bring in tourist revenue.
3) Cook County (Chicago) was forbidden to have one of these boats, I guess the idea was to transfer $$ from Chicago to areas downstate in need of the revenue.
4) The licenses were not auctioned off to the highest bidder, rather they were awarded by a board appointed by the governor.
5) This being Illinois, the licenses (inreality to print money) went to those represented by political insiders, many of whom had curious relationships to certain, ahem, unsavory syndicate characters (ok, we'll just say "mafia")
6) All was well for the connected licensees, until...
7) Neighboring states decided they, too, could have casinos.
8) Indiana has the audacity to put casino boats in Gary, just across the border from Chicago.
9) Revenues for Illinois' boats plummets, as the huge Chicago market heads to the more convenient boats in Indiana.
10) The legislature re-writes the casino law to in such a way as to virtually guarantee a Harrah's (land based!!) casino in Rosemont, which is right next to O'hare Int'l Airport.
11) The shares to this casino are sold to every politically connected sleazeball and mafia-affiliated scumbag in the state.
12) The mafia influence is so blatant that even the governors hand-picked casino board denies the license for Rosemont, setting up a firestorm of lawsuits by Harrah's, Rosemont, and various investor groups, citing law that virtually guaranteed them this casino.
13) Governor Ryan, in a sea of scandal unrelated to this scandal, declines to run for re-election. The state Republican Party, in complete disarray because of Ryan's scandals, loses the legislature and the Governor's office to Democrats.
14) The state accumulates a $5 billion deficit.
15) The folly of limiting the number of casino licenses while also not offering them up for competitive bidding became apparent, both in terms of fostering corruption and reducing the state's revenues from the casinos.

My predictiopns for the future (does this qualify for the $1 million Randi prize?)

1) The state will take over the casinos.
2) Chicago Mayor Daley will suddenly develop a liking for a huge land-based casino in the city (to which he had long been opposed), maybe even on the site of the recently closed Meig's Field (don't have the time to get into the manner in which that was done).
3) The same insiders and pinky-ringed wise guys will end up running the state-owned casinos, and the state will collect more money from them.
4) At least the $$ won't flow to Las Vegas.

I don't think any other state has a worse track record of this sort than Illinois, people here are so jaded by it they don't seem to care any more.
 
So basically you are saying this is the fault of corruption and mafia influences?

And by "nationalizing" the casinos the governor hopes to cut the mafia out?
 
Problem: mafia influence on casinos
Solution: state seizure of casinos
Unexpected consequence: mafia connected casino chains run the casinos still thereby making the state a protector of mafia concerns


wonderful.......
 
Hey welcome to Illinois most corrupt state in the Union.

My take, the gameing industry is a bunch of crap heads out to make a buck, they don't care what they do, they don't care who they hurt. They tell a bunch of lies and then whine whenever they don't get thier way.

The main reason that Gov. B. has for taking it over is it removes the middleman, no longer will the gaming industry have bribe state officials to get their way, the state officials can just acsess it directly.

I would feel better about our democratic govener if he wasn't such a Republican.

Peace
dancing David
 
Tony said:
So basically you are saying this is the fault of corruption and mafia influences?
Uh, no I was just pointing out that politics here in Illinois is much more complicated than communism vs. capitalism. There can't be real capitalism when the state limits the number of casino licenses, this in effect makes the license a license to print $ since the license holders are protected from competition (within the state) and don't pay market rates for the licenses. This fuels the corruption, which Illinois has had plenty of since the Al Capone days. (For an interesting read research the town of Cicero)

Tony said:
And by "nationalizing" the casinos the governor hopes to cut the mafia out?
No, he hopes to keep the revenues for the state instead of Nevada-based conglomerates. Also it creates patronage jobs, which solidifies the Demoocratic machines' hold on Illinois (especially Cook County) politics.
A side note to all of this is that for many years the Feds looked the other way, as the Fed prosecutors are picked by the junior Senator from Il. it was understood they should not rock the boat. But w/ the election of Senator Peter Fitzgerald (a rare breed in this state as he was a truly independent of party politics) 4 years back an independent Fed prosecutor was appointed to Illinois, and it will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few years here. Unfortunately, Fitzgerald is not running for re-election. This is a very complex situation here in Illinois, it would take months to re-hash it all on this board. You'd really have to read the Chicago papers for years to understand it all. The Republicans and Democrats scratched each others backs for a long time here. One columnist even proposed that the Illinois quarters should feature an outstretched palm, w/ the motto "Where's mine?". Would have been quite fitting.
 

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