Christian Body Migraine Defense

[I'll_buy_that]

Has anyone ever heard of this?

Christian Body Migraine Defense

My normally very intelligent wife suffers occasionally from migraines and became interested in holistic ways to treat it. She says that some of the people that she talked with about migraines said that after years of taking prescribed medicine and not having any good results, they turned to holistic ways to treat them and haven't suffered since. Now, I don't know that this is what they used, I just came across it in a search.

I tend to feel that there is something amiss, but if someone says they aren't suffering, then who am I do dissagree with them?

I looked at the order form and with a dose of 6 capsules a day, this treatment (they call a diet suppliment) will cost about $60 a month.

 

[Anders]

If anecdotal evidence is the only evidence of a drugs effect, there is a pretty good chance that there is no effect at all!

Compare this sheet describing the effects of Sinus, a pain reliever.

At least I think the Walgreens nice formatted information is much better then the Christian babble thingy.

Pseudoephedrine one of the three active ingredients gives 3509 hits on Pubmed, Guaifenesin, the other, 497 hits, and Hydrochloride, 28166 hits. If we also add +sinus to the search, we get these results:
Pseudoephedrine: 8
Guaifenesin: 7
Hydrochloride. 181

The ingredients in the Christian stupid water goes like this at the Pubmed site:
Borage Oil : 97 hits
Dong Quai Extract: 17
Vitex Agnus Castus: 78
Wild Yam Root Extract: 2
Folic Acid: 25809 (yeah well)

If we also here add +pain to the search, we get these results:
Borage Oil : 1 hit
Dong Quai Extract: 0
Vitex Agnus Castus: 3
Wild Yam Root Extract: 0
Folic Acid: 181

If we add +migraine to the search, we get these results:
Borage Oil : 0 hits
Dong Quai Extract: 0
Vitex Agnus Castus: 0
Wild Yam Root Extract: 0
Folic Acid: 7

Looks like the scientific evidence for Walgreens sinus pills are somewhat (understatement) better at curing sinus problems, than the Christian Body tincture is for migrane.

Oh well, what do you know…

 

[I'll_buy_that]

Thanks for the reply. That search seems one way to examine this.

My question was more on the lines of... What's the difference, if any, between holistic healing and homeopathy?

My wife was hearing anecdotal evidence that people, some of whom she trusted, saying that pills from the doc just covered up the pain, but the headaches would always return. After seeing a holistic healer; i don't know which; they don't get the migranes anymore. I didn't have any arguments because i don't understand Holistic healing. the Christian stupid water was just the first i ran across. When googling holistic and migraine, this site showed up a lot.

it seems that if you can take 6 pills a day, every day, there isn't really much in the pills.

by the way, what is Don Qui extract, i hope it's nothing like donkey extract, because that would be bad, ok?

 

[Rolfe]

What's the difference, if any, between holistic healing and homeopathy?

Oh dear, have you got a month to spare? That's not meant as a put-down, it's just that it's a very big subject with a lot of obfuscation around.

The term "holistic" seems to have been hijacked by any sort of woo-woo treatment that wants to represent itself as "treating the whole person", as opposed to the (entirely ridiculous) inference that real medicine only treats the bit that's ill. I believe the term originated in 1930s Germany with all the back-to-nature stuff, though I could be wrong about this.

Its application to homoeopathy is particularly inappropriate as homoeopathic methods very explicitly address only the symptoms that the patient reports, with no attempt to find out the underlying cause. Homoeopathy is a huge subject, and there is a lot on this forum if you search around, but the main points are that proponents believe in the mantra of "like cures like", asserting that a dose of a substance which will cause certain symptoms in a healthy person will cure a sick patient presenting with the same symptoms. It's all about balancing the vital force, and getting an exact symptom match between the remedy and the patient. (And it's not quite that simple either, see below.)

Of course, many things which cause symptoms are poisonous, and early experiments in homoeopathy killed a few people. At this point the inventor decided that if he diluted the preparations he would get rid of the annoying adverse efects and still keep the healing properties. He hit on a method of preparation involving many repeated dilutions, with shaking in between to keep the magic properties intact, and the really bizarre part is that this dilution is not only carried on well past the point where there is no physiological activity left in the preparations, it is carried on well past the point where there is no substance of the original remedy there at all.

And to cap it all, the "provings", which is the trials of possible remedies on healthy people to see what symptoms they cause, are now done on the ultra-dilute water itself, not on the crude substance. And yet, there has never been a report of any trial not yielding lots of symptoms!

The fact that this is just ridiculous, and the fact that nobody has ever shown a convincing and repeatable effect of homoeopathy on any disease or any set of symptoms, doesn't stop a lot of people from believing in it wholeheartedly, with strange suggestions of mysterious unmeasurable imprints and memories and quantum effects, all of which are pure woo. But basically, homoeopathy equals magic water and sugar pills. (Oh, I forgot to mention that after all the dilution has been done, and this weird energy or imprint is supposedly there, they usually put a drop of the solution on a sugar pill, let it dry, and administer the remedy like that.)

If you want to boggle your mind properly on the subject, have a look at www.homeowatch.org.

Rolfe.

Edited to add: Oooh, look at this too! It's a beauty of a rant.