China Fears

[corplinx]

Let's be frank, China scares most people. Its very large. Very, very large. It has a very large army. Very, very large. Its' gas consumption is rising. Rising larger and larger.

We know the many reasons why China is a threat. However, people seem to gloss over the other side of things. China is expanding its economy. It wants goods and services crossing its border more than it wants missiles destroying those enterprize zones it has created.

Most people thought worlds would collide when a US spy plane was forced to land in China during the first year of the Bush whitehouse. It was given back stripped and a year later President Bush talked to the chinese on their soil about freedom.

China has become a key partner in negotiating with Kim Jong . Most likely progress will be made through Chinese influence.

Are you tired of hearing about Chinese doomsday scenarios?

 

[Orwell]

Yes, I am tired of hearing chinese doomsday scenarios. It's like people miss the cold war or something, so they want to start one with the Chinese asap.

It's the old yellow peril thing all over again. Rather annoying.

 

[Cleon]

Are you tired of hearing about Chinese doomsday scenarios?

Quite. But then, I'm rather tired of most doomsday scenarios.

 

[DavidJames]

Are you tired of hearing about Chinese doomsday scenarios?

I'm with you and don't see China as much of a treat at this time. But maybe I don't get out much, where are you hearing about these Chinese doomsday scenarios, other then the occasional thread here?

 

[CBL4]

I agree that the China issue is overblown. It is similar to the Japanese fears, Islamic fears and for the short time Americans were scared that Germany and France were going to overtake them.

Selling a manufactured crisis is a great way to become famous, sell books and get elected. Enviromentalists and the Christian Right use the same technique.

I should add that just because the crisis is totally bogus does prevent the fear mongers from being sincere. Many actually believe their mistaken views.

ETA: The one that does scare me a little bit is how is the current Chinese government going to fall? It will happen and it could be either violent or peaceful. We were fortunate in how the USSR and Eastern Europe collapsed was generally peaceful but there is no guarantee that China could not turn into a Yugoslavian disaster with a billion people involve. Or they could turn the violence outward.

CBL

 

[ernon]

Re: Re: China Fears

I'm with you and don't see China as much of a treat at this time. But maybe I don't get out much, where are you hearing about these Chinese doomsday scenarios, other then the occasional thread here?

Why in the world would anyone think that a country currently saying that war with the US is "inevitable" is a threat? Even as that country exercises their population in mass evacuations, reopens massive public fall out shelters and openly declares they are prepared to sacrifice every city east of Xian in a nuclear exchange with us. It's all an elaborate bluff, right?

We know from past experience that when foreign leaders threaten the USA they don't mean it, why just look at Bin Laden as proof of that.

We just need to all get along. I know, sell them more missle secrets or maybe send over a few super computers; that will make them feel better about us and they will be our friends.

 

[joe1347]

Of course China isn't a threat - unless you are an American that happens to work in our ever shrinking manufacturing industries. Like me! Maybe the pro-China types can make some recommendations on jobs that may be actually somewhat safe (from China)?

 

[CapelDodger]

Re: Re: China Fears

I'm with you and don't see China as much of a treat at this time. But maybe I don't get out much, where are you hearing about these Chinese doomsday scenarios, other then the occasional thread here?

Presumably there will be some in the links that ernon will provide.

 

[CapelDodger]

Of course China isn't a threat - unless you are an American that happens to work in our ever shrinking manufacturing industries. Like me! Maybe the pro-China types can make some recommendations on jobs that may be actually somewhat safe (from China)?

Time marches on. And it marches all over us.

You can do the jobs better, or cheaper, or both. Whatever they are. Otherwise they ain't safe.

 

[Freakshow]

Selling a manufactured crisis is a great way to become famous, sell books and get elected. Enviromentalists and the Christian Right use the same technique.

(Bold text emphasis is mine.)

I'm glad I'm not the only person on the board who is aware of this blatantly obvious fact. Some see environmental issues as such a sacred cow that they cannot be touched with any amount of criticism whatsoever.

 

[joe1347]

Time marches on. And it marches all over us.

You can do the jobs better, or cheaper, or both. Whatever they are. Otherwise they ain't safe.

Americans can do the jobs both better and actually cheaper - assuming no manipulation by the Chinese Gov't (i.e, currency devaluation, outright subsidies, restrictive labor laws, no regard for Intellectual Property, and of course zero environmental controls). There's an economic war going on behind the scenes and we're losing. It looks like the best we can hope for is that the Chinese populace wears out (and revolts) before US Manufacturing collapses completely.

 

[Kodiak]

(Bold text emphasis is mine.)

I'm glad I'm not the only person on the board who is aware of this blatantly obvious fact. Some see environmental issues as such a sacred cow that they cannot be touched with any amount of criticism whatsoever.

Modern Environmentalism is the last bastion of Socialism...

 

[Ziggurat]

Modern Environmentalism is the last bastion of Socialism...

Hence the emergence of watermelons in politics (green on the outside, red on the inside).

 

[Kodiak]

Hence the emergence of watermelons in politics (green on the outside, red on the inside).

Don't forget the "little black seeds of hatred" for Bush and 'his' neo-cons, as well as anyone who dares expresses skepticism regarding H.C.G.W.

 

[hammegk]

Re: Re: Re: China Fears

Why in the world would anyone think that a country currently saying that war with the US is "inevitable" is a threat? Even as that country exercises their population in mass evacuations, reopens massive public fall out shelters and openly declares they are prepared to sacrifice every city east of Xian in a nuclear exchange with us. It's all an elaborate bluff, right?

Did you make that up all by yourself, or did you have help?