Che Guevara and Hezbollah

[Nie Trink Wasser]

If anyone can help me find more history about Che/Castro connections to Hezbollah and organized international terrorism, please post some information here.

I'm very interested in this subject.

http://www.netforcuba.org/washingtonterrorism.htm


1959-1967
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The Tricontinental Conference was held in Havana in January, 1966 to adopt a common political strategy against colonialism, neocolonialism, and imperialism. Cuba provided the organizational structure to support terrorist, anti-American groups in the Middle East and Latin America. The Organization for the Solidarity with the Peoples of Africa, Asia and Latin America (OSPAAL) was created.

Cuban supported guerrillas led by Che Guevara moved into Bolivia in an attempt to create "many Vietnams " in South America.


1976-1982

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) estimated that there were 300 Palestinians training in Cuban camps.

Illich Rámirez Sánchez, known as "Carlos, the Jackal", responsible for numerous terrorist acts in Europe, trained in Cuba. He attended the 1966 Tricontinental Conference in Havana and later trained in urban guerrilla tactics, automatic weapons, explosives and sabotage in Cuba.

During Havana visit, Arafat signed agreement for military cooperation and arms supply.

Cuba developed closer ties with and sent military advisors to Iraq.

...

1991-2001
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Former Defense Department counter-terrorism expert John More told UPI that Cubans, militant Palestinians, Hezbollah and even advisors from the leftist government of Venezuela are all active in Colombia.

 

[Cleon]

Well, Che was executed in 1967. Hizballah/Hezbollah/howeveryouwannaspellit wasn't founded until after Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon.

So, and I realize I'm going way out on a limb here, if you're looking to prove collusion between the two, you're probably going to have some difficulty.

 

[demon]

Try searching links between the CIA and international terrorism, you`ll find it more fruitful.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Try searching links between the CIA and international terrorism, you`ll find it more fruitful.

history has shown a much larger idealogical and political committment between muslim terror groups and communist guerrilla groups.

you may think your response is witty, but its really simply ignorant and irresponsible.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

history has shown a much larger idealogical and political committment between muslim terror groups and communist guerrilla groups.

you may think your response is witty, but its really simply ignorant and irresponsible.

So, let's see... Casting a wide a net as possible to find a link between every Communist regime and Muslim terrorism is 'history', but pointing out events that have actually occurred, which happen to run counter to your personal biases, is 'ignorant and irresponsible'. Got it.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

So, let's see... Casting a wide a net as possible to find a link between every Communist regime and Muslim terrorism is 'history', but pointing out events that have actually occurred, which happen to run counter to your personal biases, is 'ignorant and irresponsible'. Got it.

Im searching for omitted history and you're a book burning, brainwashed, chap.

 

[geni]

Im searching for omitted history and you're a book burning, brainwashed, chap.

Define "ommitted". As a general rule communists don't get on that well with relgius fundies. The whole opium of the people thing means there is a bit of a clash of idiolgies.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Im searching for omitted history and you're a book burning, brainwashed, chap.

If anyone can find any information that establishes Bush as a baby-eater who diverts funds from Treasury to an account in the Netherlands, could you post them here? I'm searching for 'omitted history'. Thanks.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Does anyone have any information that I'm the rightful heir to the throne of the UK? I'm looking for some more omitted history. Thanks.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

If anyone has info that would establish that Nie Trink Wasser is a sock of Jedi Knight, and therefore should be permabanned, could they put it here? I'm very interested in this particular subject. Omitted history, and all that.

 

[geni]

Does anyone have any information that I'm the rightful heir to the throne of the UK? I'm looking for some more omitted history. Thanks.

Are you a lizard person? If so I may be able to help.

 

[Cleon]

Im searching for omitted history and you're a book burning, brainwashed, chap.

"Ommitted history," eh? You are aware that "making history up" does not mean the same thing as "ommitted," no?

The closest you'll find is some support for the PLO, which is not particularly an Islamicist organization. When Hamas was formed and encouraged by the West (as a dividing force against the PLO), the Soviet bloc stuck with the PLO.

You may recall, though I suspect not, that what became the Taliban in Afghanistan were mujaheddin fighting against the Soviets. The Soviets--that pesky "we may be communists but we're not idiots" philosophy--figured out that Islamic fundamentalism wasn't exactly in their best interest, and steered clear from it.

 

[BPSCG]

Does anyone have any information that I'm the rightful heir to the throne of the UK? I'm looking for some more omitted history. Thanks.

Okay, you're having fun here, but NTW has found something that may be evidence that Castro has a long history of supporting Islamic terrorism. He's asking a perfectly fair question: Does anyone know of anything else on this subject? I've done the same thing on other topics. Part of the purpose of this forum is to learn.

Now, you may have more information that would tend to confirm the notion that Castro has been supporting Islamic terrorism. Or you may have evidence that would tend to debunk the notion.

But all you're doing is essentially saying, "Boy what a stupid question!" and comparing the question with a notion for which there is no evidence.

So if you have something useful to contribute, please do so.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

The Cult of Che
Don't applaud The Motorcycle Diaries.
By Paul Berman

http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2107100&

The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims.

The present-day cult of Che—the T-shirts, the bars, the posters—has succeeded in obscuring this dreadful reality. And Walter Salles' movie The Motorcycle Diaries will now take its place at the heart of this cult. It has already received a standing ovation at Robert Redford's Sundance film festival (Redford is the executive producer of The Motorcycle Diaries) and glowing admiration in the press.

I wonder if people who stand up to cheer a hagiography of Che Guevara, as the Sundance audience did, will ever give a damn about the oppressed people of Cuba—will ever lift a finger on behalf of the Cuban liberals and dissidents.

 

[SRW]

I read an article a week or so ago in the WSJ that talked about the Chechen terrorist leader. Although they did not talk about any link between Cuba and him they did say he had a lot of admiration for Che. The paper was in a waiting room so I don't know what day. It was however a good article.

 

[BPSCG]

I read an article a week or so ago in the WSJ that talked about the Chechen terrorist leader. Although they did not talk about any link between Cuba and him they did say he had a lot of admiration for Che. The paper was in a waiting room so I don't know what day. It was however a good article.

September 16.

How Russia's Chechen Quagmire
Became Front for Radical Islam

Aligning With Arab Militants
Gained Money, Fighters
For Rebel Leader Basayev
Swapping 'Che' for Allah
By ANDREW HIGGINS in London, GUY CHAZAN in Nalchik, Russia, and GREGORY L. WHITE in Moscow
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
September 16, 2004; Page A1

When Shamil Basayev, a Chechen warlord waging Islamic "holy war" against Russia, first took up arms more than a decade ago, he also took up an unlikely role model: an Argentine atheist lionized by the Soviet Union. Along with his gun, Mr. Basayev carried a picture of Marxist rebel Ernesto "Che" Guevara.

"He was his idol," recalls Musa Shanibov, a former KGB informant who helped turn Mr. Basayev into a warrior during the turmoil that accompanied the collapse of the Soviet Union. "Like me, Basayev was a Communist Youth member and a romantic," says Mr. Shanibov. "I never saw him pray."

Today, Mr. Basayev, 39 years old, prays five times a day, styles himself "Allah's slave," wears a green headband with Islamic verse and, according to Russian officials, bears responsibility, among other atrocities, for the brutal hostage-taking at Middle School No. 1 in Beslan earlier this month. More than 350 people, many of them children, died.

Can't provide a link, as the archived article doesn't show a URL. You have to have a paid subscription anyway...