Catholics Bishops' advice on Bible!!!!

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Originally posted by UK times online

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.


So you do not have to believe men have one less rib.

We're winning! (In Britain, at least! Ha Ha!)
 
Naah!
That Thread is dated from the 5th October this year. 19 centuries!


[Can't believe I missed the other thread]
 
Generally the Catholic attitude towards the Bible is "Heaven forbid should you actually read that thing!"
 
So what's the surprise? I don't believe Catholicism has ever taken a "the bible is literally true" position (or at least not in the last 200 years or so). Most Mainstream Protestants don't either. It's only the conservatives that take this position I believe.
 
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So what's the surprise? I don't believe Catholicism has ever taken a "the bible is literally true" position (or at least not in the last 200 years or so). Most Mainstream Protestants don't either. It's only the conservatives that take this position I believe.

Last 1800 years at least (it goes back to someone named Origen in the second century).
 
So what's the surprise? I don't believe Catholicism has ever taken a "the bible is literally true" position (or at least not in the last 200 years or so). Most Mainstream Protestants don't either. It's only the conservatives that take this position I believe.
It's true that biblical fundamentalism can be traced back to very conservative members of certain Protestant denominations (chiefly Baptists). Yet, since the movement is only about 100 years old, it's hard in one sense to characterize its insistence on literal biblical inerrancy as the "conservative" theological position. Arguably, the "conservative" approach to the Bible is the traditional Catholic one, as epitomized by Augustine and others. It's the fundies who've gotten radical, newfangled notions into their heads.
 
Christians aren't entirely morons. Growing up Catholic, he Bible was never presented as literal. It was a given that they were largely stories meant to make a point.

I think this may be why some recent "conservative" Catholics I've met really give me the creeps. They seem the types where the seeds of fundamantalism easily take hold, yet try to claim the relatively intelligent tradition of Catholic scholarship.
 
I recently had the opportunity to visit a special Vatican Museum exhibition in my region. Along with all the displayed artifact, they also include a documentary feature on Vatican. It talked about the life in Vatican, and some of it's history. Pretty insightful.

Those people at the top of the catholic chain of command in Vatican are realistic, rational and knows what they are doing. (or not doing).
They manage their own country, people, publicity, uniform, election, ceremony, building, and nontheless technology.

There was one cliplet I thought was intereting.

Vatican church has some construction that allowed light to shine through a hole on the wall. It falls on some design on the floor. It was intended that it falls there consistently on a specific day of the year. But they had found out that it had become later and later slowly until at a point it was a few days' late. They announced some changes to the calendar.

One part talked about how Vatican became corrupted during part of their history. Power related. How it became a place where power thirsty people who wants a piece of land goes to to try to carve a piece from the Vatican "empire".

They are an organisation well aware of science and maths. They build, they maintain, they manage a country. They (the leaders of catholic church) are every bit as realistic as the best sceptic who promote critical thinking.

And of course they do not stop their believers from far-fetch thinking, if it serves their purpose.

This advice on the limit of Bible is wise. Try to hide it is liken to wrapping fire with paper - ill adviced. Especially in this internet age, where you could practically communicate to millions your objection to a certain verses in the holy book.

There is no absolute good or bad, right or wrong. Only power and those who seek it. And I think the religious leaders and their organisation are good enough a survivor to know what to do. To know what they need to capture the minds of the meek and be at the seat of power.

FireGarden said "we are winning" , I am rather wary. It might be otherwise.
If you want to "win", wouldn't it be better if the pope publicly insist the bible is always right and embarass himself by publicly losing a logical debate about embrassing verses in the bible?
 
The last Pope stated outright that proof and evidence are not needed - only faith, rather. It's a losing battle, arguing against that positon.

May as well declare your victory and walk away. You are only mocking, otherwise.
 
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Originally posted by Alencon
So what's the surprise? I don't believe Catholicism has ever taken a "the bible is literally true" position (or at least not in the last 200 years or so).

The way the newspaper article portrays it, the Bishops aren't simply saying that some of Bible is metaphorical. They are saying some of it is wrong. Bad jounalism, perhaps, but here's their opening line: "THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true."

And that tone is continued through the rest of the article. EG:
The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”
So believe the supernatural bits, take the rest with a pinch of salt.
 
The bible doesn't say that men have one less rib. The bible says that Adam had one less rib and that women are good with barbeque sauce.
 
The bible doesn't say that men have one less rib. The bible says that Adam had one less rib and that women are good with barbeque sauce.

Yes but that one rib carried over because when you mutilate animals the missing body parts are hereditary!
 

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