Case Study of a Moron

[corplinx]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200302\CUL20030217b.html

This is an article by Michael L. Betsch. This illustrates the ignorance of anti-gun advocates. You would think they would at least study and become experts on the topic of something they feel strongly about.

Hunting with a long barrel revolver has become a popular hunting method. Its more sporting since the the revolver is less accurate than a rifle and its harder to steady since it has no stock.

For this moron to suggest that a 5 shot revolver thats over a foot long and weighs over 6 pounds should be banned shows that he has never held a gun and doesnt understand them in the least. Right now you can buy a 44 magnum semi automatic with 10 round capacity and quick reloads. You know why criminals don't use them? They're too friggin expensive! Criminals buy cheap guns (when they buy them). When they do get a gun worth money they go into the pawn shop down the street.

Can we get _responsible_ _knowledgable_ people to take lead of the gun control movement versus uninformed, ignorant people who have no business pushing for legislation on a topic they know _nothing_ about?

Mind you, I supported the background check system, I also support mandatory education similar to Canada. I'm not exactly some right wing basket case from a Michael Moore movie.

Edited to mention that the author of the article is no the moron in question. I found the article with google and have no idea who the author is.

 

[corplinx]

I most likely got the gun dimensions wrong, and I think the author may have also. I started trying to find a reliable source for real info about the gun (it was just announced recently).

In any case, the gun is very heavy and very big and is not practically concealable.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Can we get _responsible_ _knowledgable_ people to take lead of the gun control movement versus uninformed, ignorant people who have no business pushing for legislation on a topic they know _nothing_ about?

Can we get _responsible_ _knowledgable_ people to take lead of the gun rights movement versus uninformed, ignorant people who have no business fighting legislation on a topic they know _nothing_ about?

 

[corplinx]

Re: Re: Case Study of a Moron

Can we get _responsible_ _knowledgable_ people to take lead of the gun rights movement versus uninformed, ignorant people who have no business fighting legislation on a topic they know _nothing_ about?

I don't agree with everything the Wayne LaPierre (sp?)s of the world say but they tend to be much more informed and knowledgable than anti-gun advocates here in the US.

Take trigger locks, trigger locks are horrible. The only way to safely store a gun is with a locking holster that covers the trigger or in a safe. Most guns can be fired with the trigger lock still on. They can easily be pried off.

Many gun control advocates tried to force trigger locks on people through legislation.

The pro-second amendment crowd may be totally wrong about their reading of said amendment, they may be wrong about guns and crime, but they do know their guns and how they function.

 

[Richard G]

The 2nd amendment is all one needs to know fighting for pro gun rights. Everything else (gun size/make model) is irrelevant.

Thats a hunting gun, but it isn't the biggest. Their have been bigger, single shot hanguns for years.

 

[synaesthesia]

Frankly, that size of gun is considerably more effective for large game than for humans. A smaller caliber capable of accurately following up the initial shot would be far more combat effective.

That's why many prefer the 30.06 to the 30.8.

 

[Guest]

America and gun control.....

Firearm homicides annually :

USA 11,127
Germany 381
France 255
Canada 165
United Kingdom 68
Japan 39

I hereby nominate the USA for a national Darwin Award.

 

[armageddonman]

Hunting with a long barrel revolver has become a popular hunting method. Its more sporting since the the revolver is less accurate than a rifle and its harder to steady since it has no stock.

Why is it more sporting to hunt with a weapon of inferior accuracy? I used to hunt myself and I learned to shoot as precise as possible to ensure the game is killed with the first shot to prevent unneccessary suffering.
Using handguns for hunting means willfully increasing the risk of a bad shot, how intelligent is that?

 

[Soubrette]

America and gun control.....

Firearm homicides annually :

USA 11,127
Germany 381
France 255
Canada 165
United Kingdom 68
Japan 39

I hereby nominate the USA for a national Darwin Award.

Do we have any per capita statistics? As they are presented they are practically meaningless - and I thought that when I watched the documentary

Sou

 

[Guest]

against population, I will multiply the figures for all the other countries to see the number produced at that rate for the equivalent of the population of the USA.

USA 11,127 (265M)
Canada 165 (30M) ( x 8.83 = 1456)
Germany 381 (81M) (x 3.27 = 1245)
France 255 (58M) (x 4.56 = 1162)
United Kingdom 68 (59M) (x 4.49 = 305)
Japan 39 (125M) ( x 2.12 = 82)

Looks like Darwin Award material to me.

 

[Occasional Chemist]

Who's the moron?

Without taking sides on the debate on banning this particular firearm, there's a great deal of foolishness to go around on both sides here.

From the article...

"He's quite ignorant because there are people who do," Pratt said. "I do know for a fact that people take large caliber handguns with them to go hunting. And, I have no doubt that if you were lucky enough to get close enough, you could take a deer down with a .44 Magnum, which until now, was the biggest gun around."

So Pratt's point is, perhaps, that there are some stupid hunters using handguns to hunt? I mean, if you're looking to bag some game, you'd at least want a weapon that's easy to aim and shoot.

 

[LeFevre]

America and gun control.....

Firearm homicides annually :

USA 11,127
Germany 381
France 255
Canada 165
United Kingdom 68
Japan 39

I hereby nominate the USA for a national Darwin Award.

Yeah most all of those deaths in the USA are those stupid ignorant immigrants from Germany, France, Canada, and mostly the UK.

We have good ole boys waiting in trees and on hills for a funny accent. I have to dodge mortar rounds every morning.

 

[Soubrette]

Out of interest Geoff - can you break that down further into countries with similar gun laws? I mean, does France have more severe or less severe gunlaws than the UK or the US say?

And what about countries like Switzerland - do they have similar laws to the US and similar gun deaths?

Sou

 

[Occasional Chemist]

Hunting with a long barrel revolver has become a popular hunting method.

The idiots, it seems, have been breeding.

Its more sporting since the the revolver is less accurate than a rifle and its harder to steady since it has no stock.

I believe that rather succinctly gives the reasons its silly to hunt with a revolver, yes.

 

[Doubt]

against population, I will multiply the figures for all the other countries to see the number produced at that rate for the equivalent of the population of the USA.

USA 11,127 (265M)
Canada 165 (30M) ( x 8.83 = 1456)
Germany 381 (81M) (x 3.27 = 1245)
France 255 (58M) (x 4.56 = 1162)
United Kingdom 68 (59M) (x 4.49 = 305)
Japan 39 (125M) ( x 2.12 = 82)

Looks like Darwin Award material to me.

Still not very useful. This information would need to be compared to total homicide rates to be relevant.

Until then, the availability of guns makes those statistics about as useful as comparing the number of people who die from drowning for the UK and Saudi Arabia. There are plenty of other ways to kill people besides guns.

 

[LeFevre]

Re: Re: Case Study of a Moron

I believe that rather succinctly gives the reasons its silly to hunt with a revolver, yes.

uh, some folks have fun hunting. What you have never rock hunted a puma? Make sure your aim is on, or else.

 

[Occasional Chemist]

We have good ole boys waiting in trees and on hills for a funny accent. I have to dodge mortar rounds every morning.

Luckily, they're using handguns - so they don't hit you too often.

 

[Occasional Chemist]

Re: Re: Re: Case Study of a Moron

What you have never rock hunted a puma? Make sure your aim is on, or else.

I prefer using harsh language to hunt grizzly bears. You've really got to cuss like a sailor to take down a grizzly.

 

[LeFevre]

Luckily, they're using handguns - so they don't hit you too often.

well I dont leave without my citizen issued USA Body Armor, you actually leave your home without it? I took a slug to the face the other day, but my USABA saved the day!

 

[Guest]

Out of interest Geoff - can you break that down further into countries with similar gun laws? I mean, does France have more severe or less severe gunlaws than the UK or the US say?

And what about countries like Switzerland - do they have similar laws to the US and similar gun deaths?

Sou

Canada has similar gun availability as the US (I believe). I think that firearm legislation across Europe is roughly in line with British laws.

Le Fevre :

Yes, there are plenty of other ways to kill people. Guns are pretty effective though, wouldn't you say?

This sets up a circular argument anyway - if it turns out that the US has a high homicide rate in general you will say that this means that the firearm homicide rate is just a reflection of a high homicide rate in general, and if the US has a low homicide rate in comparison to the firearm homicide rate then you will say that people in the US just use guns instead of other methods.

The figures stand on their own. I do not believe that all of those firearm homicides would have been non-firearm homicides if Americans didn't take their guns to bed with them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/05/04/ncrim04.xml

.....homicide rates are lower in Britain than elsewhere. In England and Wales, the rate is 1.45 per 100,000 compared with 1.63 in France, 1.28 in Germany and 2.60 in Spain.

The highest murder rates are in South Africa, where there were 23,800 homicides in 1999 at a rate of 56.49; Russia with nearly 30,000 (20.5); and America, where there have been dramatic falls in crime, with 15,000 homicides at a rate of 6.26 per 100,000 population.

So the homicide rate in America is 4 or 5 times that in the European countries mentioned.