Can Soul, Ghosts Exist?

[Kumar]

Hello all,

We listen too much about Soul, Ghosts & other so thought as 'energy based' supernatural or paranormal Phenomena. In science, these can be thought as Illusions, Beliefs and hallucinations, mental defects, blind faiths, dreams etc.

In considerations of previous discussions held in 'Can Photograph effect' 'Corresponding energy.... etc., what do you think about these Phenomenas?

Does Sun-light somewhat indicate alike "Soul" of Sun(can't say if dark is Ghost of Sun)?

Do reflections & emissions from any molecular structure in form of heat, colour & dimentions(emission spectrum) can be somewhat relevant to these Phenomenas?

How body energies are released/emitted/reflected on death of any person?

Do our previously-shedded skin particles, remains after death, previously released energies & energies released on death or after...can somehow be having any relevance to these Phenomenas?

Your materialistic, creative, dynamic views & sober thoghts & discussions, somewhat in accordance with science are bit requested.

Pls be polite, sober & serious in view of this being senstive issue.

Best Wishes

 

[ahoneycutt]

You might find this article to be of some use:
Snopes.com - Dr. Duncan MacDougall

Do our previously-shedded skin particles, remains after death, previously released energies & energies released on death or after...can somehow be having any relevance to these Phenomenas?

I do think it is fair to assume that your body is still burning a little energy some moments after death. I would assume after all of the oxygen has stopped going to your cells, however, so would the weight-loss. I believe this would account for the weight loss Dr. MacDougall observed after death.

To be fair, I'm not very informed on this topic; the information that I was able to gather was compiled in the early 1900's. If anyone has more information on this topic I would love to see it.

Thanks,
Andy

 

[Kumar]

ahoneycutt,

Thanks for interesting link. I don't know whether loss of Air/O2 on death could be there & considered in this study. If we think, 'soul/ghost' being an 'energy form'--we should try to calculate loss of weight accordingly.

 

[Zep]

Q: Can Soul, Ghosts Exist?
A: No.

Next question, please.

 

[steenkh]

We listen too much about Soul, Ghosts & other so thought as 'energy based' supernatural or paranormal Phenomena. In science, these can be thought as Illusions, Beliefs and hallucinations, mental defects, blind faiths, dreams etc.

In considerations of previous discussions held in 'Can Photograph effect' 'Corresponding energy.... etc., what do you think about these Phenomenas?

Why do you use the term "energy-based"? Nobody has ever measured the energy of a soul or ghost with a scientific instrument, so how can you know it is energy-based?

You said it yourself - nothing of this sort has ever been demonstrated in a credible manner, so until the phenomena have been proved, they are nothing more than illusions etc.

Does Sun-light somewhat indicate alike "Soul" of Sun(can't say if dark is Ghost of Sun)?

What nonsense is this?

Do reflections & emissions from any molecular structure in form of heat, colour & dimentions(emission spectrum) can be somewhat relevant to these Phenomenas?

There are no phenomenas, so reflections and emissions have no relevance.

How body energies are released/emitted/reflected on death of any person?

It is called decomposition, and consists mainly of bacteria consuming the corpse of the deceased, thereby releasing heat.

Do our previously-shedded skin particles, remains after death, previously released energies & energies released on death or after...can somehow be having any relevance to these Phenomenas?

There are no phenomenas, so there is nothing here of relevance.

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Some kind of structure is needed to support an ego without a physical body. Energy is not the answer, among all the other reasons, because it doesnt explain its needed container (structure), "pure energy" that can have a concrete personality without a holding structure is a meaningless concept.

Energy is "capacity of work" and if it is not measurable, there is no way to prove it exists.

Furthermore, there is no need to propose "a soul" unless one have its own agenda (probably religious based) to prove.

Humans can believe anything, that is why it is important to, at very least, develop some critical thinking abilities. We dont need to waste our time thinking absurdities.

 

[Kumar]

Some definitions;

Soul; the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life.

Ghost;a faint shadowy trace: a disembodied soul; especially : the soul of a dead person believed to be an inhabitant of the unseen world or to appear to the living in bodily likeness.

Can you judge whether these are energy based indications?



Thanks for the contributions. Ok then, please tell me science of these(soul, Ghosts etc.) concepts which are most commonly used & thought.

 

[Ossai]

Kumar

Ok then, please tell me science of these(soul, Ghosts etc.) concepts which are most commonly used & thought.

Here is a complete list:
















Ossai

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Can you judge whether these are energy based indications?

Of course! there is no "energy indicators" without a measuring device! And what do we need to measure? what kind of energy? Electrical? Chemical? Nuclear? Geothermical?

If it is immaterial, how can it have a material representation?? how does immateriality interacts with matter?

If no answer is given (other than that we cant measure it) then how do we know it exists in the first place?

Ah, believers say, because one can feel it. End of discussion, we can feel that we were abducted yesterday by an alien.

 

[Kumar]

Some kind of structure is needed to support an ego without a physical body. Energy is not the answer, among all the other reasons, because it doesnt explain its needed container (structure), "pure energy" that can have a concrete personality without a holding structure is a meaningless concept.

Energy is "capacity of work" and if it is not measurable, there is no way to prove it exists.

Photons as energy have dual property of wave & particle. The emitted or reflected spectrum can also move/travel together as per the line of emission/reflection somewhat alike 'associated wavelengths'. Eg; Sunlight is specific emission spectrum of "Sun". Wht can't we say say it alike "soul" of sun? Does it not represent Sun at energy's level?

Furthermore, there is no need to propose "a soul" unless one have its own agenda (probably religious based) to prove.
Humans can believe anything, that is why it is important to, at very least, develop some critical thinking abilities. We dont need to waste our time thinking absurdities.

To really understand anything under modern environment of 'made somewhat skeptic', we may have to involve science in any understanding.

 

[Kumar]

Kumar

Here is a complete list:
















Ossai

I can feel some photons coming from 'blank space' throug the screen of my monitor. If this is the complete list, why people don't allow & encourage- anyone trying?

 

[Kumar]

Of course! there is no "energy indicators" without a measuring device! And what do we need to measure? what kind of energy? Electrical? Chemical? Nuclear? Geothermical?

Alike sunlight energy or EM radiations.

If it is immaterial, how can it have a material representation?? how does immateriality interacts with matter?

By photons-atoms/molecules interactions.

If no answer is given (other than that we cant measure it) then how do we know it exists in the first place?

Ah, believers say, because one can feel it. End of discussion, we can feel that we were abducted yesterday by an alien.

Think, salvation, libretion, moksha, nirvana may mean conversion to prime energy level--which is not yet very clear. But soul is not salvation....

 

[Bandersnatch]

Photons as energy have dual property of wave & particle. The emitted or reflected spectrum can also move/travel together as per the line of emission/reflection somewhat alike 'associated wavelengths'. Eg; Sunlight is specific emission spectrum of "Sun". Wht can't we say say it alike "soul" of sun? Does it not represent Sun at energy's level?

No more than a fingerprint represents you, and fingerprints aren't exactly a commonly accepted as a "soul."

EDIT: Fixing quote tags

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Photons as energy have dual property of wave & particle. The emitted or reflected spectrum can also move/travel together as per the line of emission/reflection somewhat alike 'associated wavelengths'. Eg; Sunlight is specific emission spectrum of "Sun". Wht can't we say say it alike "soul" of sun? Does it not represent Sun at energy's level?

First of all, Photons are physical descriptions for an observed phenomena. Furthermore, you imply with this example that the "soul" of the sun doesnt have any structure capable of sustain something as complex as a self! (that requires the most complex structure in the known universe: The Brain). Photons are describable in terms of physics, "souls" are only "describable" in the imagination of some people.

 

[IIRichard]

Can you judge whether these are energy based indications?



Thanks for the contributions. Ok then, please tell me science of these(soul, Ghosts etc.) concepts which are most commonly used & thought.

Kumar there is no "science" of this. The existence of the soul cannot be proved or disproved. Your use of the word "science" in this context is an oxymoron.

The existence of ghosts cannot be reliably demonstrated. All rational people who have investigated ghosts believe that no such thing exits. However, it is possible, no matter how unlikely (approaching zero as close as you care to go), that a ghost might be found. Since the phenomenon appears not to exist, there is currently no science.

 

[ahoneycutt]

Can you judge whether these are energy based indications?



Thanks for the contributions. Ok then, please tell me science of these(soul, Ghosts etc.) concepts which are most commonly used & thought.

an energy based indication of what? I think if we could tell you that a soul or ghost had energy we could assume that they exist. But we can't.

Edit: On a separate note, sole has no eyes.

 

[Interesting Ian]

Some kind of structure is needed to support an ego without a physical body.

So you claim, but you have neither explained what "structure" means in this context, nor why it is needed. Until you explain this I think people should be advised to take your unwarranted assertions with a huge sack of salt.

 

[Vortex]

Until you explain this I think people should be advised to take your unwarranted assertions with a huge sack of salt.

Have you located a video of stigmata in action yet, Ian?

 

[Interesting Ian]

Have you located a video of stigmata in action yet, Ian?

Have you located a video of a meteorite falling down?

 

[TLN]

Have you located a video of a meteorite falling down?

Classic Ian. Shifting the burden and ignoring direct questions.

Remember, it's not up to Ian to prove his idiotic assertions correct, it's up to us to prove him wrong.

Ian, you can't read. Please go away. You're wasting our time and the grow-ups are trying to have a conversation.