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Can Lieberman win in 08?

Would Lieberman get your vote?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 9.0%

  • No

    Votes: 52 66.7%

  • I'm an illegal alien so I can't tell you how I vote

    Votes: 8 10.3%

  • On planet X, we vote for none of the above.

    Votes: 11 14.1%
  • Total voters
    78

Rob Lister

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No link to go with this.

He's going to run, hell or high water.

If he does, it will not be as a dem, not as a rep, only as a ind.

It would mean a sure-fire win for either him (10%) or whoever runs as rep.

I gotta tell you that the rep candidate would have to be pretty damn strong to keep me from voting for Lieberman. I like the guy. Way, way too liberal for my taste but he has more character than most. Condi could kick his ass in terms of character but she doesn't want the job.

Knowing what you know now, all of you, would you vote for him if the ticket were identical to that of 2000/2004?
 
Obama/Feingold would kick his ass!

No, I don't believe it either. But it was fun to type, anyway.
 
I predict that he can't even win in '06. If he runs in '08, it'll make the his drubbing in '04 look like monumental triumph.

By the way, I don't think he has a lot of character. I think he's a privileged character who believes his seat in the Senate belongs more to him personally than to the people of Connecticut.

On the topic of 3rd party runs for prez, that's a tough one. I've been thinking about H. Ross Perot's relative success in '92 (~20%), and what was special about it: lots and lots of his own money, a folksy personality, somewhat distinct and resonant issues (trade/budget deficits and entitlements leading to economic ruin). Lierberman doesn't have any of that going for him.
 
hgc said:
I predict that he can't even win in '06. If he runs in '08, it'll make the his drubbing in '04 look like monumental triumph.
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I think he'll win [again] his seat in '06. Your post does make one wonder: how quickly they fall from grace. This guy was, after all, the VP candidate in '00. Took the majority of the popular vote, IIR.

Many (most Reps, I suspect) would say that had Lieberman gotten the Dem Nod in 04, he'd be the pres now. He'd have had my vote.

If you are a dem, and you want to win, perhaps a Kerry-type is not your best choice. Just saying. He'll run as a Ind and steal at least 30% of the dem votes but, depending on who the Reps run, unlikely more that 10% of theirs.
 
Rob Lister said:
I think he'll win [again] his seat in '06. Your post does make one wonder: how quickly they fall from grace. This guy was, after all, the VP candidate in '00. Took the majority of the popular vote, IIR.
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I was never a big fan, and none too pleased when Gore picked him. I was somewhat buoyed that conservatives liked him so much that it might have helped Gore with their votes, but then I saw how he went into the debate with Cheney and let him walk away without a challenge. As for his fall from grace since, that's his own doing, not some defect of Democrats. He had the nerve to say that to criticize the president during war is harmful to the nation! He jumped from grace, into the willing arms of the Republican fans whose adoration he so desires.

Many (most Reps, I suspect) would say that had Lieberman gotten the Dem Nod in 04, he'd be the pres now. He'd have had my vote.
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Maybe. But you can't run in the finals if you don't qualify in your heat.

If you are a dem, and you want to win, perhaps a Kerry-type is not your best choice. Just saying. He'll run as a Ind and steal at least 30% of the dem votes but, depending on who the Reps run, unlikely more that 10% of theirs.
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Lieberman's approval ratings in Connecticut are 70% among Republicans and I don't know but a lot lower number among Democrats. Seems to me the Rep candidate in '08 stands to suffer more from an impactful Lieberman indy run.
 
hgc said:
Lieberman's approval ratings in Connecticut are 70% among Republicans and I don't know but a lot lower number among Democrats. Seems to me the Rep candidate in '08 stands to suffer more from an impactful Lieberman indy run.
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Were the nation Connecticut, you'd be right.

Let's see how he does.
 
The Republican candidate, whose name I can't recall, is widely regarded as a non-starter. If Lieberman loses the primary, it'll be between Lieberman and Lamont. If Lieberman wins, it'll be Lieberman.

Edit: There was an article in the New Yorker recently about Lieberman, which suggested that Gore picked him in '00 in an effort to distance himself from Clinton. Lieberman had been one of the more outspoken Democratic critics of Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal.
 
Right now, even though I'm registered Republican, I would vote for him if he were on the Democrat ticket. Not as a third party, though. I just don't believe a third party is viable right now. My opinion is based in that there aren't any clear leaders in the race on either side yet. I reserve the right to change my opinion before '08.


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Joseph Lieberman has no chance to be President and no chance to be the Democratic nominee.

The Democratic Part is swinging far left and he's a moderate liberal.

He's fell out of favor with the kook left who only want President Bush criticized for everything he does.

And I think it's highly improbable that he would run as an independent.
 
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hgc said:
He had the nerve to say that to criticize the president during war is harmful to the nation! He jumped from grace, into the willing arms of the Republican fans whose adoration he so desires.
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It's precisely because of THAT comment that he'll never get my vote. He comes across as Republican-Light and not a real thinker by any stretch of the word.

I would be more willing to vote for Quayle/Bush in 2008, just think of the fun. ;)
 
Lieberman deserves credit for acting against HIS political interests.

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DJW said:
Lieberman deserves credit for acting against political interests.
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Now if we could just get to credit Bush for acting against his political interests. ;)

BTW, welcome to the forum. :)
 
Cleon said:
Everyone acts against political interests. It's just a question as to whose interests they're acting against.
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There's another dimension to this: are his actions against his own political interests intentional? Not a chance. He just miscalculated, early and often.
 
Mephisto said:
Now if we could just get to credit Bush for acting against his political interests. ;)

BTW, welcome to the forum. :)
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I think it's illegal to bind and gag the president, which is perhaps the only way to keep President Bush from acting against his political interest.:D


Thank you for the welcome.:)
 
hgc said:
There's another dimension to this: are his actions against his own political interests intentional? Not a chance. He just miscalculated, early and often.
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I think you're being overly cynical. Although he is a politician, Lieberman has crossed his party's line on several occassions. I admire that.
 
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