Caffeine Cures...

[Eos of the Eons]

Cancer?

Yep, somebody told me this was a proven fact. What the...??
Since when, and how, etc.

I'm looking this up, and coming across junk, of course. I'm just wondering if anyone had heard this one lately?

A very flawed study here:

http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=44806-caffeine-could-become

Because the mice didn't get cancer it prevented it? They say they put them "at risk of cancer" by exposing them to light, and then say the concoction fought off actual cancer. Eh? Just because they applied the junk to the mice after the light exposure? I don't see where they have conclusive evidence the mice even had any cancer, just the potential to get cancer cells from the light exposure.

Anybody else see any other claims for caffeine curing cancer?

 

[Lisa Simpson]

With Prince Chuckie's coffee enemas--is it the caffeine that supposedly cures the cancer? Or some other mechanism?

I'm sure the prince knows exactly how it works.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Okay, just another chance to look at some more nonsense

Good question Lisa. What is the "reasoning" behind coffee enemas?

Gonzales suspects that caffeine taken rectally may relax muscles of the liver and gallbladder ducts, causing ''toxins,'' including byproducts from the body's attempts to destroy cancer cells, to spill into the intestines. Drinking coffee doesn't have the same effect, he says. (For what it's worth, he adds, decaf doesn't, either; what appears to work is one tablespoon of ground coffee, brewed or percolated, per pint of water.)

I love the wording: "suspects".

http://www.healingdaily.com/liver-detoxification/coffee-enemas-article.htm

Mostly it has to do with claims of "detoxifying". These toxins are what supposedly cause the cancer, so getting rid of them gets rid of the cancer.

The ignorance about the causes of cancer are astounding.

substances found in coffee promote the activity of a key enzyme system that detoxifies the blood

http://chetday.com/coffeeenema.htm

And sticking this stuff up your colon cleanses your blood???

Don't these people understand that cancer is simply your own cells gone awry? That it's the defunct cells that need to be removed and destroyed completely to get rid of the mutant genes? You don't need to "detoxify".

COSMIC already holds information on 57 444 tumours and reports a total of 10 647 mutations. Ultimately, however, it will include information on all genes that are somatically mutated in human cancer.

http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX022102.html

It's the causes of the mutations that we need to be aware of in order to prevent cancer. If it's genetics, then you need to catch the disease early. If you live right (eat healthy and exercise) then your body will be less likely to get the mutations that lead to cancer. Enemas and other junk really aren't necessary for any reason. They don't help to treat or prevent cancer.

Now we have people saying caffeine can kill cancer cells and leave the normal cells untouched? How does caffeine know which cell is a cancer cell and which cell is not cancerous?

At least when you get radiation treatment you aren't lied to about what is going to happen. Your healthy cells are killed as well, but they are replaced by your own body when the treatment is over. The cancer cells are killed along with the healthy cells. Or you can get surgery and have some healthy cells removed along with the tumor. The present cancer treatments work because they target the cancer. Coffee enemas are just a pain in the @ss.

 

[Andrea]

In a word bizarre. I always thought stimulants increased the risk of cancer not cured it! Amazing though, if this were true, why are Dermatologists not publicising this wonderful new cure?

 

[LostAngeles]

I remember reading an article on new experimental cancer treatments some years ago where one researcher basically said, "If you're a mouse, we can cure you of cancer easily."

Frankly a coffee enema would:

a- burn like hell.
b- get the caffeine into your system a lot faster.
c- holy crap sliding out of a scarred colon, ow.

 

[Olaf/QII]

.You don't need to "detoxify".

Sounds like a statement that needs to be backed up.

How could it hurt?

What if some people are loaded with some particularly nasty toxins that are severely incapacitating the immune system. Would this not matter even a small amount?

Of course it would.

Once again I must ask, How could it hurt?

Is it the magic answer -- No, but why attack something that is basic common sense.

 

[LostAngeles]

First off, can we establish what is a "toxin?" If it's something unnatural, then who knows, typing this message could be loading my body up with "toxins." Are we talking about such things as molds and mildew, things that cause "Enviromental illness?" Because a coffee enema won't do diddly for that. Removing yourself from the affected area and having it cleaned (or demolished) will.

Once we've established that, aside from keeping the immune system busy (and wouldn't allergy triggers do the same thing?) how does it "incapacitate the immune system?"

 

[apoger]

How could it hurt?

1> It could waste your time.
2> It can waste your money.
3> It can distract people from getting effective treatments.
4> The rapid introduction of stimulant can potentially be an issue.
5> I don't like it when things enter my exit. It hurts.

 

[Olaf/QII]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
.You don't need to "detoxify".


I'm not sure about the coffee enema.

I was speaking in general about her statement concerning general toxicity.

It seems to me that this is common sense. Detoxifying could even include eliminating cigarettes.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
.You don't need to "detoxify".


I'm not sure about the coffee enema.

I was speaking in general about her statement concerning general toxicity.

It seems to me that this is common sense. Detoxifying could even include eliminating cigarettes.

Enemas get rid of WHAT toxins?? Which and how. If you ask me, you are introducing one. Eliminating cigarettes? You would stuff those up where the sun doesn't shine? You certainly would "Eliminate" them then, along with your feces. Nice thought. Thanks for that one.

Enemas are useless when it comes to fighting cancer for oh so many reasons. So is trying to "eliminate toxins". It seems many lack a lot of common sense (along with useful information) when it comes to addressing cancer.

 

[Wudang]

What about the "toxins" - i.e. carcinogens you're pouring in your butt? I.e. benzo(a)pyrene, benzaldehyde, benzene, benzofuran, caffeic acid, catechol, 1,2,5,6- dibenz(a)anthracene, ethyl benzene, furan, furfural, hydrogen peroxide, hydroquinone, d-limonene, 4-methyicatechol?
Courtesy of Happy Holidays!

 

[Wudang]

On the subject of detox BBC News:'No proof' detoxing diets work

 

[Olaf/QII]

. So is trying to "eliminate toxins". .

Eliminating toxins is something that could possibly help. No healer/doctor should ever guarantee that it would do so but the possibility exists.

Why are you such a sour puss on so many things?

Negativity = masked depression or masked emotional problems?

Just wondering.

 

[apoger]

Eliminating toxins is something that could possibly help.

Sure, however until there is evidence that it helps, it is nothing more than groundless speculation.

Why are you such a sour puss on so many things?

So, questioning groundless speculation makes a person a "sour puss"?

Negativity = masked depression or masked emotional problems?

No.

Just wondering.

No you're not.
Rather than dealing with the call for evidence, you are trying to sling mud.

Perhaps you might try educating yourself.
How could it hurt?

 

[Olaf/QII]

So much of what goes on here is ridiculous. The thimerosal (sp?) controversy is a good example.

I mean take the DARN stuff out if there are legitimate reasons to suspect that it just might trigger a serious problem in a highly susceptible infant.

Do we hear that here? No of course not. All we hear is ---oh, it is perfectly safe.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

So much of what goes on here is ridiculous. The thimerosal (sp?) controversy is a good example.

I mean take the DARN stuff out if there are legitimate reasons to suspect that it just might trigger a serious problem in a highly susceptible infant.

Do we hear that here? No of course not. All we hear is ---oh, it is perfectly safe.

Or maybe instead of complaining about people here you could provide the evidence that thimerosal might trigger serious problems.

 

[Olaf/QII]

Or maybe instead of complaining about people here you could provide the evidence that thimerosal might trigger serious problems.

I just read the book, Evidence of Harm (i think that was the name.

There definitely seems to be enough evidence whereby it is more than justified to remove it.

Do I believe that it is definitely a problem. NO, i don't.

But when it comes to protecting babies then I say get it the heck out. (fortunately it is mostly out)

This is where I differ from people like you --- I have a heart along with good common sense.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

This is where I differ from people like you --- I have a heart along with good common sense.

I agree with Rolfe. You are a vicious little b!tch.

You know nothing about me AT ALL. All I asked is that instead of complaining you should provide proof. Reading a book is not actually proof, by the way.

 

[Olaf/QII]

well let's see if you can admit that I am correct on this.

When it comes to babies shouldn't every protection be taken to be sure they are not harmed?

It is very heartless for people to sit at their keyboards shouting out --- "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE, IT'S ALL WOO"

Now let's see if you can agree.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

well let's see if you can admit that I am correct on this.

When it comes to babies shouldn't every protection be taken to be sure they are not harmed?

It is very heartless for people to sit at their keyboards shouting out --- "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE, IT'S ALL WOO"

Now let's see if you can agree.

Yes. Babies should be protected.

Now. Do you have any evidence that mercury in vaccinations harms children? Since it's been taken out of vaccinations whether or not babies are being harmed is a moot point. Answer the question, Olaf the troll.