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"Burma - Land Of Fear"

demon

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In the light of the fiction we are being fed, this documentary by Pilger is worth another look. Its a rarely shown documentary but is on ITV2 tonight.
Burma should make an interesting case for media watchers and yet the country is media-invisible, not helped by a ban on foreign journalists which prevent first hand accounts or visual images reaching us. Yet this is an ex-British colony with a British educated democracy leader in detention for 9 of the last 15 years, and yet registers little or no concern in Britain or elsewhere. Why ?
Not because of a lack of HR issues. The military regime register on the high-end of all comparative scales in human rights abuses - child soldiers, forced labour, systematic rape, torture, ethnic cleansing, millions of refugees & IDPs, political prisoners, prohibition on media and political expression.
The international community have no appetite for exploring a third way for a country crying out for non-violent intervention to restore democracy after 42 years of oppression. A policy of "constructive engagement" with the regime has failed, EU member states do nothing while they increase trade. And yet, alone stand the USA who have imposed targetted sanctions.

Burmese democrats are as wary of any group of the motives of George W Bush but recognise that he is the 1st to heed their calls to target sanctions on regime-controlled businesses. Isnt it farcical that Bush is seen as a friend of democracy in the tragedy that is Burma, not by the Chalabi-ists a la Iraq, but by genuine lifelong workers for a democratic future who have been abandoned by the UN and the international community?We want the whole world to enjoy greater democracy and higher standards of human rights, but we should be wary of hidden agendas.

It is well-known that the UK and other wealthy nations do business with the autocratic Burmese regime, but they hardly depend on it for resources, cheap labour or regional stability. Other nations in South East Asia provide ample bargain-basement labour, often with governments claiming to uphold anti-imperialist revolutions (e.g. Vietnam) or hiding behind a veneer of democracy of pluralist democracy (e.g. Thailand).

A large section of the British intelligentsia, not least the BBC, have long championed Aung San Suu Kyi's cause, in what often appears to be a one-woman show. Indeed one could be forgiven for concluding that long-term Anglo-American commercial interests are best served by installing her into power by imposing sanctions on Burma (Myanmar) to hold fresh elections and then letting Western consumerism run riot.

I would support measures to stop British business from outsourcing work, running subsidiaries, selling arms or bidding for construction contracts in Myanmar, but ultimately it is up to the Burmese people to overthrow their government and decide the extent to which international big business can take over,fully aware of the adverse effects in neighbouring countries.
 
I worked with a burmese. Their writing is the cutest I have seen. He said if his family hadn't left Burma, he would have had to serve in the army, all his friends had to.

The army is used to repress the population.

When I wondered why Iraq, Burma is one place I wondered by it wouldn't be on the list of countries to be freed. I read about it every so often, a typical military tyranny, that is supposed to be a socialist country.

One more f**ked up country.

It would be nice to think that there was some legal method of ridding the world of such tyranny, we don't appear to be their yet. The concept of sovereignty appears to be the closest we have got yet. I hope we can move on from that, but unilateral action is more dangerous than the problem.
 
Thanks for those considered remarks aup.. I should say i dont have any answers, just questions. However...
"...but ultimately it is up to the Burmese people to overthrow their government"
The idea that a country must rescue itself while the world looks on is a position I`ve always had trouble with. Often something rather unpleasant races to fill the gap left vacant by people of good will - in the case of Burma its China's rapacious economic development which props up the regime, trading weapons and a UNSC veto for resources (particularly hardwoods), causing irreversible environmental degradation in the process.

Aung San Suu Kyi is championed but with little effect. Westerners like to be associated with her in the same way they displayed pro-Mandela credentials when it suited their purposes, as long as no demands are made on their superficial support.
Clearly we must be very careful of neo-imperialist adventures and I think it likely that the west would like a large slice of the contracts for commercialising Burma in a post-regime period.

Nevertheless thats not sufficient reason for inaction. Ive always thought the 'wait and see' position suggests that a country must endure the purging of all that is best until the beast is satiated and tires of the carnage eg Chile, Guatemala. Is it something we would want for ourselves ? If Burma's people continue to say 'help us' and we say 'its an internal matter' arent we guilty of a shabby demarcation of responsibility for humanity into superficial nation state borders ?
 
If Burma's people continue to say 'help us' and we say 'its an internal matter' arent we guilty of a shabby demarcation of responsibility for humanity into superficial nation state borders ?

Funny, the Iraqi people kept saying "help us", and when the US ignored their superficial borders and deposed Saddam anyway, you became apoplectic with rage and disgust.
 
Septic:
"Funny, the Iraqi people kept saying "help us", and when the US ignored their superficial borders and deposed Saddam anyway, you became apoplectic with rage and disgust."

They wanted help when Rumsfeld was over there when shaking Saddams hand, they wanted help when Bush left them to die in the desert, they wanted help over the last decade when all we could do was bomb them and impose devestating sanctions, they wanted help when all we could ever say was bomb them, bomb them, bomb them.
That`s the answer to everything isn`t it.

And you coil up here, asking where the Arab outrage is when they behead a hostage...why don`t they speak out against it all....◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ unbelievable.

Septic"I hate Arabs, I really do, every one of them hates the evil jooowwwws and the whole word is against us, that`s why I used to drive Bulldozers over Palestininan homes and loved every minute of it...I wish could get back there, I loved the way the kids screamed when I ran over their toys and their loved ones...made fun talk down at the bulldozer park"
 
Of course, had the U.S. targeted Burma instead of Iraq everyone in the world -- and especially the posters on this board -- would be asking, "Why Burma? Why Now? ... What about Iraq?"
 
shuize said:
Of course, had the U.S. targeted Burma instead of Iraq everyone in the world -- and especially the posters on this board -- would be asking, "Why Burma? Why Now? ... What about Iraq?"

I don't recall saying I want the US to go in and free Burma. Could you please point out exactly where I did?

I do recall, however, saying that it would be good if the world, as a whole, could come up with some way of dealing with issues like this. Having the US unilaterally acting to 'solve' these problems, however, is a very dangerous option in the long run.
 
shuize said:
Of course, had the U.S. targeted Burma instead of Iraq everyone in the world -- and especially the posters on this board -- would be asking, "Why Burma? Why Now? ... What about Iraq?"

And they'd have the answers all lined up, too: It's due to Burma's oil / Haliburton / Bush's stupidity / the jews / etc., etc., etc.
 
Just so you all know, this WILL BE an off topic post so ignore it if you must. You may find some relevance in it but I doubt it.

Burma is a great tourist resort but you have to know the right travel agent. You are unlikely to find them through published travel guides. $5000 can buy you a month of complete and utter bliss. That excludes initial air travel to Bangkok, Thailand but includes all travel from and back-to that point.

It also excludes air conditioning but an hour after you get to your final destination you are unlikely to notice, or care if you do notice.

This is all I have to say on the subject.
 

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