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BRAC List is out...

Hutch

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BRAC = Base Realignment And Closure. This is what the Pentagon wants to do in regards to closing excess military bases and realigning the workforce. You can see the entire list here. (Note, you will have to have Adobe reader installed, it's a pdf file).

I'm most interested in that the last major BRAC (in 1997) picked me up from St. Louis and dumped me into Alabama. Looking at the list, there will be a number of other people moving this time, but my place (Redstone Arsenal) is due for a net increase in jobs-so no selling the old homestead yet.

Now watch the Congresspersons jump up and down, especially those representing North Carolina (Pope AFB), Texas (Red river Army Depot), Georgia (Ft. Benning), New Jersey (Ft. Monmouth), New Mexico (Cannon AFB), and North Dakota (Grand Forks AFB), all of which are on the closure list. Liberal, Conservative, doesn't matter, they will all be screaming today.

Which is why, after the list is reviewed by a civilian panel and possibly amended, the list is given to Congress for a straight "up-or-down" vote on the enitre list--no horse-trading, either the entire list goes forward or none of them.

Me, this time I'll sit back and see who's coming to town...
 
Georgia's already screaming, but not the folks around Columbus. Ft. Benning's actually going to do pretty well, getting about 10,000 new people (both military and civilian).

A few bases around metro Atlanta are being closed, like Ft. Macpherson; and you're right, both liberal and conservative types are against it. Fancy that.
 
Michigan did pretty well.

We kept Selfridge ANG Base and the Warren Arsenal (both are actually to have expanding rolls), but lost Kellogg Air Guard Station.
 
Kodiak said:


We ... lost Kellogg Air Guard Station.

Serves 'em right. They were a bunch of flakes.

Sorry, had to get that in before someone else did.
 
Whole lot of bumping going' on...

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There was concern for Fort Knox, but it made it.

I wonder why Pope is on the list? It's a huge deployment/re-deployment center. I've flown out of there myself a couple of times.

So long as neighboring Fort Bragg remains the big Mobilization station it is, it will need an airfield with aircraft.
 
Garrette said:
There was concern for Fort Knox, but it made it.

I wonder why Pope is on the list? It's a huge deployment/re-deployment center. I've flown out of there myself a couple of times.

So long as neighboring Fort Bragg remains the big Mobilization station it is, it will need an airfield with aircraft.

My bad, Pope is not closing, but is being "realigned", with about 4,800 military moving elsewhere, but a net gain of about 800+ civilian jobs.

And if you note, the bases that are growing the most are the ones that will be getting troops back from Europe as we scale back our committments there--like Cleon's Ft. Benning (about 9,200 more troops).

Looking through the list, Indianapolis has to be happy--they'll be getting about 3,375 civilian jobs, which will be a boon to the housing (folks moving from other places to keep their jobs) plus new hiring.
 
Hutch said:
Now watch the Congresspersons jump up and down, especially those representing North Carolina (Pope AFB), Texas (Red river Army Depot), Georgia (Ft. Benning), New Jersey (Ft. Monmouth), New Mexico (Cannon AFB), and North Dakota (Grand Forks AFB), all of which are on the closure list. Liberal, Conservative, doesn't matter, they will all be screaming today.
Gee, you'd think the military was some sort of federal jobs program...
 
And bases like Millington in Tennessee, which were stripped down to nothing in past rounds of base closing, will now be rebuilt, at the usual exorbitant cost of 'de-mothballing'.

Some savings.
:rolleyes:
 
Hmm, the two bases that put food on my table are both net gains.... therefore, I conclude this is GREAT for the country!
 
Here's the complete story, so far. You can also check out the Gov't. website on this.

Got this from Yahoo!

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon is proposing the most sweeping changes to its network of military bases in modern history, a plan that would close 33 major facilities in 22 states and reconfigure hundreds of others to achieve savings and promote cooperation among the armed services.

More than two years in the making, Friday's recommendations by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld represented his attempt to balance a whirl of competing forces. They include the changing threats facing the nation, massive federal deficits, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the economies of local communities and political pressures.

While state officials, community leaders, lobbyists and members of Congress combed through a thicket of data the Pentagon presented, the overarching theme of Rumsfeld's plan was surprisingly simple: To be more combat ready and affordable, the individual services must become leaner and more unified.

An example: The Army would move the 7th Special Forces Group from Fort Bragg, N.C., to the Air Force's Eglin, Fla., base, so both services' elite troops could train together more easily. An airfield next to Eglin is the headquarters of Air Force Special Operations Command.

Out would go the crown jewel of the Army hospital system: the venerable Walter Reed hospital in Washington. The hospital would move staff and services to the National Naval Medical Center in nearby Bethesda, Md., to create a new, expanded facility carrying the Walter Reed name.

The military calls this "jointness" — the services combining their strengths rather than working separately.

"Because jointness is key to creating military value — that was our goal," said Michael Wynne, the Pentagon's technology and weapons-buying chief who oversaw the base review project.

Rumsfeld had said before releasing his report that closures would be fewer than once anticipated, in part because surplus space will be used to accommodate tens of thousands of troops scheduled to be brought home from Cold War-era bases in Europe and Asia.

And while the number of bases he has asked to be shuttered is only slightly higher than in previous base-closing rounds dating to 1988, he put forth an extraordinary number of other changes and consolidations — 775 "minor closures and realignments" compared with 235 in the four previous rounds combined.

The proposal submitted to Congress and an independent base closing commission evoked immediate howls of protest from members of Congress whose states stand to lose jobs — civilian and military — and the Pentagon pledged to lend a helping hand to the hardest hit communities.

"It is wrong. It is shortsighted," Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record), D-Conn., said when he learned the closures would include the submarine base at Groton. He called it "cruel and unusual punishment" of his state, which would suffer a net loss of 7,133 military and 1,041 civilian jobs.

Disappointment was also felt far from the corridors of power.

In Texarkana, Texas, doughnut shop owner Danny Witt estimated he would lose $1,000 a month in sales if the Red River Army Depot and Lone Star Army Ammunition Plant are closed as proposed.

"I hate it," he said. "It's devastating. I really thought we would miss the list."

Many of the states that fared well are in the South and Southwest. Georgia would register a net gain of 8,677 military positions, although it would lose 1,971 civilian jobs, while Texas would gain nearly 9,000 military positions, with El Paso and San Antonio acquiring the most.

Rumsfeld said he knows some communities will struggle to cope with job losses, but he made clear that the nation's security can be assured only if the military gets stronger.

It's a theme Rumsfeld has sounded throughout his tenure at the Pentagon, and he alluded to it in a cover letter to the report to Anthony J. Principi, chairman of the base closing commission.

"Increasing combat effectiveness and transforming U.S. forces are critical if our country is to be able to meet tomorrow's national defense challenges," he wrote. He recommended that a similar base-use review be done every five to 10 years. His was the first since 1995.

The chiefs of all the services endorsed Rumsfeld's plan, but it will face intense scrutiny from Principi's panel, which will take public testimony from Rumsfeld on Monday. The commission has until Sept. 8 to present its recommendations to President Bush, who can accept or reject it whole, but not part. Congress likewise can accept or reject it in whole.

Among other highlights of Rumsfeld's plan:

_In addition to the 33 major bases that would be closed, another 29 would shrink in size and lose 400 or more jobs. Four of the latter are Navy facilities in California, including Naval Base Coronado. Fort Knox, Ky., would not close but would lose 4,867 military jobs while gaining 1,739 civilian slots.

_The Air Force would consolidate its B-1 Lancer bomber fleet at Dyess Air Force Base, Texas, resulting in the closure of Ellsworth Air Force Base, S.D. The aerospace medicine program at Brooks City-Base, in San Antonio, Texas, would move to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. Wright-Patterson also would obtain the Navy's aero-medical research laboratory now located at Pensacola, Fla.

_The Army would close Fort Monroe, Va., built in the early 1800s on the site of various fortifications that dated back to 1609, when the British erected defenses to protect the approaches to the Jamestown colony. Its main tenant, the Training and Doctrine Command, would be moved to Fort Eustis, Va.

_About 12 million square feet of leased space would be vacated for more secure facilities owned by the government.
 
Let me guess, the bases that are surviving are all in deep-blue states.
 
They want to close the submarine base in Groton?! Wow, that's like asking the Pope to move out of St Peters. Groton, CT is the birthplace of the US submarine fleet. I bet Leiberman et al are fuming!
ETA: That would leave the Coast Guard Academy across the river as the sole military presence (assuming that Electric Boat will also downsize)
I also see they want to close the shipyard in Kittery, ME (Portsmouth, NH). Looks like the Navy is abandoning New England.
 
kimiko said:
What exactly does "realign" entail?

Roadtoad's post explained it pretty well, let me give you a more personal picture.

Picture Hutch, average mid-level bureacrat happily working a desk at the Federal Center on Goodfellow Boulevard. In 1996, the US Army, who had been leasing space there, decided that it would be more economical to move my Command to a US Army post and not have to pay the rent, so to speak. They decided on Redstone Arsenal, which already housed another part of the Army Material Command (AMC)(my big boss), figuring the merger would allow for economy of scale on many jobs.

So most of us got the word--move to Alabama, retire, or find new work in St. Louis. To their credit, the Government did help in finding positions in St. Louis and provided farily decent relocation assistance (paid-for 10-day househunting trip, movement of household goods, 30-days in hotel once we arrived), but it was move it or lose it.

Did they end up saving money? Who knows. But at least two commands are together, and they are now talking about moving the Headquarters for AMC out of the DC area and down here. Give us another decade and we'll probably have the whole force down here...plently of room at Redstone to build.

Originally posted by jj
Let me guess, the bases that are surviving are all in deep-blue states.

Actually, looking at the list, jj, it seems pretty spread out, and the states with the most bases (like Georgia, Texas, California) are taking hits along with the rest. Indeed, closing bases in places like New Mexico and N. Dakota probably hurt even more than Lieberman's sub base, because New England has more varied resourses and a bigger job base than those red states.

Now we'll see what actually gets to Congress.....
 
but what does it all mean?

being a former base brat, (meaning i don't know anything but how to get in trouble with mp's), i'm wondering what the story behind the story is? a couple of people on military forums are saying there are plans in opening some overseas bases in places like poland and other "willing" nations as a kickback as well. i remember when we closed turkey. i was personally witness to some anti-american demonstrations in the (otherwise very peaceful and tollerant) netherlands.

however, i looked at the list a while ago, (before the server got too slow), and noticed that a lot of the closures seemed to be reservist and recruitment ... that starts to smell like a "draft", (or some kind of variation: conscription?), would make those facilities unnecessary.
 
Synchronicity said:
Hm. Or developers need the land for something...
After they closed the Glenview Naval Air Station here during the last round of base closings they replaced it w/ a slough of $1 million homes, a golf course, and some big box retail stores. It's generating hundreds of times more revenue for the Glenview area than the base ever did.
 

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