Boy who cried wolf.

[a_unique_person]

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/18/powell.iran.ap/index.html

SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) -- The United States has intelligence indicating Iran is trying to fit missiles to carry nuclear weapons, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said.

Powell partially confirmed claims by an Iranian opposition group that Tehran is deceiving the United Nations and is attempting to secretly continue activities meant to give it atomic arms by next year.

"I have seen intelligence which would corroborate what this dissident group is saying," Powell told reporters Wednesday as he traveled to the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Santiago, Chile. "And it should be of concern to all parties."

I am all in favour of halting the proliferation of nuclear weapons. My only problem now is, can I trust this information? The recent record is not too good.

 

[zenith-nadir]

I am all in favour of halting the proliferation of nuclear weapons. My only problem now is, can I trust this information? The recent record is not too good.

TRANSLATION: I trust Ayatollah Ali Hoseini-Khamenei, Mohammad Khatami and the "Death to America"-chanting Assembly of Experts more than I trust the Americans....


If Europe thinks for one second that Iran will stop developing nukes then I have two words for you; "Neville Chamberlain".

 

[a_unique_person]

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TRANSLATION: I trust Ayatollah Ali Hoseini-Khamenei, Mohammad Khatami and the "Death to America"-chanting Assembly of Experts more than I trust the Americans....


If Europe thinks for one second that Iran will stop developing nukes then I have two words for you; "Neville Chamberlain".

So, you appear to trust this information, even though the WMD turned out to be completely wrong?

 

[zenith-nadir]

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So, you appear to trust this information, even though the WMD turned out to be completely wrong?

Well the UN was wrong, European intelligence was wrong and the CIA was wrong about Iraq's WMD. Does that mean that the folks running Iran are right? Nope. In fact the folks running Iran will say just about anything to get the EU and IAEA off their backs, I would too if I wanted a bomb and no one wanted me to have it.

The folks running Iran are pretty nasty people a_u_p. They don't even represent the Iranian people's best interests let alone the EU's. When they declare they have the bomb it will be too late.

 

[a_unique_person]

Well the UN was wrong, European intelligence was wrong and the CIA was wrong about Iraq's WMD. Does that mean that the folks running Iran are right? Nope. In fact the folks running Iran will say just about anything to get the EU and IAEA off their backs, I would too if I wanted a bomb and no one wanted me to have it.

The folks running Iran are pretty nasty people a_u_p. They don't even represent the Iranian people's best interests let alone the EU's. When they declare they have the bomb it will be too late.

The UN was right, part of the reason to rush the invasion. If it had waited any longer, the UN would have been able to announce no WMD.

 

[Matabiri]

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The folks running Iran are pretty nasty people a_u_p. They don't even represent the Iranian people's best interests let alone the EU's. When they declare they have the bomb it will be too late.

You're right. Iran deserves freedom, just like Iraq. Surely no-one can believe that an Iran without the Ayatollahs would be worse off? Even if the intelligence turns out to be wrong, at least we'll have got rid of them.

Let's invade, and turn Iran into a stable Middle Eastern democracy. The area could do with at least one.

 

[zenith-nadir]

The UN was right, part of the reason to rush the invasion. If it had waited any longer, the UN would have been able to announce no WMD.

Wanna see how "right" the UN is most of the time? Look at Sudan today. Or the oil-for-food scandal, or Kosovo or Rwanda or the middle east...

Abdul Qadeer Khan faces life under siege

ISLAMABAD: The man who made Pakistan a nuclear power may have escaped a jail term for leaking the country’s atomic secrets but could spend the rest of his life under virtual house arrest, officials said on Friday.

The warning came as details emerged of how one-time hero Abdul Qadeer Khan ran a shady underworld network from Dubai with contacts in three continents, trading in nuclear centrifuges and atomic bomb blueprints.

But despite receiving a presidential pardon from Pervez Musharraf on Thursday after admitting to handing over atomic data to Iran, Libya and North Korea, Khan will remain under tight security, unable to move around at will.

Emphasis mine.

You're right. Iran deserves freedom, just like Iraq. Surely no-one can believe that an Iran without the Ayatollahs would be worse off? Even if the intelligence turns out to be wrong, at least we'll have got rid of them.

Let's invade, and turn Iran into a stable Middle Eastern democracy. The area could do with at least one.

Hey that's ok, Iran's future nuclear missles can reach me here, I don't live in Europe.

 

[a_unique_person]

Wanna see how "right" the UN is most of the time? Look at Sudan today. Or the oil-for-food scandal, or Kosovo or Rwanda or the middle east...

Abdul Qadeer Khan faces life under siege Emphasis mine.


Hey that's ok, Iran's future nuclear missles can reach me here, I don't live in Europe.

I thought we were talking about the weapons inspection programs and the IAEA.

 

[WildCat]

No way Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons. They desperately need their nuclear program to supply power to that country after their oil runs out in 150 years or so.

Prediction: Iran will have nukes within a few years, and the Euros will blame the USA for letting it happen.

 

[a_unique_person]

No way Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons. They desperately need their nuclear program to supply power to that country after their oil runs out in 150 years or so.

Prediction: Iran will have nukes within a few years, and the Euros will blame the USA for letting it happen.

It would be nice if I could just trust the Bush Administration, but the problem is, I know I can't. I don't know how much political capital Dubya thinks he has at home, but his last cheque bounced over here.

 

[Matabiri]

Hey that's ok, Iran's future nuclear missles can reach me here, I don't live in Europe.

Stop bitching about it then.

 

[Mycroft]

Stop bitching about it then.

Yeah, don't worry. It's other people who will die.

 

[Mycroft]

It would be nice if I could just trust the Bush Administration, but the problem is, I know I can't. I don't know how much political capital Dubya thinks he has at home, but his last cheque bounced over here.

Did it? Who won the last Australian election?

 

[Matabiri]

Yeah, don't worry. It's other people who will die.

Hey, we had regular terrorist attacks in the UK throughout the 70s and 80s, remember? No ivory towers here.

 

[The Don]

Hey, we had regular terrorist attacks in the UK throughout the 70s and 80s, remember? No ivory towers here.

They couldn't have been terrorist attacks because they were in part funded by contributions from US citizens and the US has never been a haven for terrorist supporters. They were the actions of US sanctioned freedom fighters

 

[Luke T.]

Heh. AUP called Colin Powell "Boy".

 

[BPSCG]

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Let's invade, and turn Iran into a stable Middle Eastern democracy. The area could do with at least one.

It already does have one.

 

[BPSCG]

Heh. AUP called Colin Powell "Boy".

Waiting for The Fool to call him a racist...

 

[Matabiri]

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It already does have one.

Having to build great big walls across sections of your land to maintain internal security doesn't sound that stable to me.

Or isn't it their land? They're building walls across someone else's land?

 

[BPSCG]

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Having to build great big walls across sections of your land to maintain internal security doesn't sound that stable to me.

The U.S., therefore, is not a stable democracy, as evidenced by this photo taken along the southern border of California...

Or this one along the Texas border...