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Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

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From Democratic Underground: Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 08:02 AM by lukery
Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."

These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.
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"Bombshell" apparently is Truth Movement for "unsubstantiated wild claim."

She provides no evidence, and there is no plausible way for her to have learned this information.
 
Sibel Edmonds' quote in context

From letsibeledmondsspeak.com

Sibel Edmonds: (interrupts) I have to jump in here and say that I have information about things that our government has lied to us about. I know. For example, to say that since the fall of the Soviet Union we ceased all of our intimate relationship with Bin Laden and the Taliban - those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11.

I know you are going to say 'Oh my God, we went there and bombed the medical factory in the 1990s during Clinton, we declared him Most Wanted' and what I'm telling you is, with those groups, we had operations in Central Asia, and that relationship - using them as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict - we used them all the way until September 11.
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metamars said:
From letsibeledmondsspeak.com
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Like I said, no evidence. Her claims are also completely naive.

A much better account of the actual relationship with bin Laden, including during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, can be had from CIA members with real access to intelligence, such as Michael Scheuer, rather than some random translator talking about things that happened while she was still in high school. As I have numerous times, I recommend Lawrence Wright's books on the subject, and unless you can show how he and his hundreds of interviewees got it totally wrong, Ms. Edmonds is not even faintly credible.
 
R.Mackey said:
"Bombshell" apparently is Truth Movement for "unsubstantiated wild claim."

She provides no evidence
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The ACLU didn't call her the "most gagged" woman in the history of this country for nothing. Ah, but you already knew that, didn't you?

and there is no plausible way for her to have learned this information.
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Really! And how do you justify this statement? Have you read and listened to the classified material that she did? And do tell us, won't you, what your level of skill is in understanding Middle Eastern languages?
 
Mother of God... how long has Mike W's page on the bin Laden-CIA links myth been around for now? Couple of years, maybe?

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_links_to_the_cia.html

Jason Burke said:
It is often said that bin Ladin was funded by the CIA. This is not true, and indeed it would have been impossible given the structure of funding that General Zia ul-Haq, who had taken power in Pakistan in 1977, had set up. A condition of Zia's cooperation with the American plan to turn Afghanistan into the Soviet's 'Vietnam' was that all American funding to the Afghan resistance had to be channeled through the Pakistani government, which effectively meant the Afghan bureau of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), the military spy agency.

The American funding, which went exclusively to the Afghan mujahideen groups, not the Arab volunteers [bin Ladin's groups]...
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... and

Fisk: ...what of the Arab mujahedin he took to Afghanistan - members of a guerilla army who were also encouraged and armed by the United States - and who were forgotten when that war was over?

bin Ladin: "Personally neither I nor my brothers saw evidence of American help...
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http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_bin_ladin_in_sudan1996.htm

And if relations between the US and bin Laden were that cordial :rolleyes: back during the Soviet-Afghanistan war, well before America had troops in Saudi Arabia, what makes anyone think they got any better since then?
 
metamars said:
The ACLU didn't call her the "most gagged" woman in the history of this country for nothing. Ah, but you already knew that, didn't you?



Really! And how do you justify this statement? Have you read and listened to the classified material that she did? And do tell us, won't you, what your level of skill is in understanding Middle Eastern languages?
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She is talking; which part of the meaning of gagged are you using?

When you get the proof present it; your hearsay and delusions are tiresome.
 
metamars said:
The ACLU didn't call her the "most gagged" woman in the history of this country for nothing. Ah, but you already knew that, didn't you?
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Really? Really? The most gagged person in history "dropped a bombshell" on a radio show. You should consider thinking before you post.
 
metamars said:
The ACLU didn't call her the "most gagged" woman in the history of this country for nothing. Ah, but you already knew that, didn't you?
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Just like UBL, right ?

So the reason he as kept quiet about this relationship is what, exactly ? Any reason for him not to have announced this working relationship to the entire planet?

What does he get for his silence?
 
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These free speech martyrs are pathetic. There is a website called "let Sibel Edmonds speak" and she's on a freaking radio show. Obviously, the world is "letting" her speak. That she chooses to speak with Mike Malloy, who is a nut, says a lot about her lack of judgement.
 
metamars said:
The ACLU didn't call her the "most gagged" woman in the history of this country for nothing. Ah, but you already knew that, didn't you?
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In other words, you're relying on evidence that you never expect to actually see. Good luck with that.

Her "Gagging" and her actual case has to do with misconduct at her contracting firm. Which is plausible. The fact that she's later tried to keep herself public and bolster her story with increasingly idiotic and fascinating claims of stupendously huge conspiracies, for which she could possibly have no evidence, in my view damages whatever case she might have had. To use a loose example, if I accuse my employer of timecard fraud, and then when it fails to gain legal traction I start claiming they're also covering up alien invasions, it doesn't help me at all.

metamars said:
Really! And how do you justify this statement? Have you read and listened to the classified material that she did? And do tell us, won't you, what your level of skill is in understanding Middle Eastern languages?
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Irrelevant. She worked as a translator, as a contractor to the FBI. For a few months. Assuming her claims regarding bin Laden are true, there is no way in the world she would be given such information, nor would she ever encounter it. She wasn't an analyst who needed the background, nor was she part of the CIA bin Laden station. For her to have received such information would be an incredible security leak.

Evidence or pack it in. We've been here before.
 
It's been been eight years since 9/11. Why exactly did this liar wait so long to drop the "bombshell"?

Twoofers will believe anything.
 
metamars said:
The ACLU didn't call her the "most gagged" woman in the history of this country for nothing. Ah, but you already knew that, didn't you?


Really! And how do you justify this statement? Have you read and listened to the classified material that she did? And do tell us, won't you, what your level of skill is in understanding Middle Eastern languages?
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She was and is censored and I want to hear what she has to say that stands up to proper scrutiny. She has to prove that she had access to communications that would support her assertions and they were in languages she had competency in. That's just the start.

Wiki says Edmonds is fluent in Turkish, Persian, English and Azerbaijani. I suspect that much of the messages that involved ObL were in Urdu, Pashto and Arabic and that Turkish, Persian, English and Azerbaijani were irrelevant to support her so-far unsubstantiated claims.
 
She was hired after 9/11 and fired a few months later. Anybody think she is nothing more than a disgruntled ex-employee?

ETA - This is a spectacular whimper from the TM following their epic failure that was seen around the world.
 
R.Mackey said:
To use a loose example, if I accuse my employer of timecard fraud, and then when it fails to gain legal traction I start claiming they're also covering up alien invasions, it doesn't help me at all.
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Except that your employer really is covering up alien invasions. Everybody knows that.

Dave
 
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