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Bob Dole has died

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Bob Dole, giant of the Senate and 1996 Republican presidential nominee, dies

Bob Dole, a Republican Party stalwart and presidential hopeful who espoused a brand of plain-spoken conservativism as one of Washington's most recognizable political figures throughout the latter half of the 20th century, died Sunday.

"Senator Robert Joseph Dole died early this morning in his sleep. At his death, at age 98, he had served the United States of America faithfully for 79 years," according to a statement from his family.
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They say we should not speak poorly of the recently deceased, so the best I can say is that he wasn't as big of an ******* as so many Republicrud are today.
 
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It is a little early to comment. I’ll return in a couple days to recount how, when I was first becoming interested in politics back in the 80s, the senator stood out as a pretty large dick.
 
Something I noticed about Bob Dull, generations ago when I sometimes saw TV, was that all his vowels were "uh." E.g., "Hulluh, uhver'wun. Muh numb's Bub Dull, un Uh come from Kuhzuss. Uh wunt yuh tuh vutt fur muh un Nuhvumbur."

I'm no Kansas expert, but I doubt many people there sound like that. Was ole Bob's oral cavity specially shaped by 98 years of swallowing Republican sh

Doctrine?
 
An honourable man who dedicated his life to serving his country. I see no reason to blacken his name just because I disagreed with him politically.

R.I.P. Bob Dole.
 
I absolutely disagreed with his political beliefs. But Dole was a good man.
 
Ron Obvious said:
An honourable man who dedicated his life to serving his country. I see no reason to blacken his name just because I disagreed with him politically.

R.I.P. Bob Dole.
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Well, the reason would be that the disagreement amounts to you perceiving his views, if enacted, unacceptably hurt human beings.
 
Ron Obvious said:
An honourable man who dedicated his life to serving his country. I see no reason to blacken his name just because I disagreed with him politically.

R.I.P. Bob Dole.
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Militarily, he served his country very honorably. Politically, he served his country in ways that harmed a lot of the people of his country.
 
This is kind of the end of an era. He was a leading Republican when there was an intellectual foundation to the Republican Party.
 
shemp said:
Militarily, he served his country very honorably. Politically, he served his country in ways that harmed a lot of the people of his country.
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I'm sure, but Dole was one of the last decent Republican presidential candidates, except for McCain. Not perfect, but decent people. The rest have been garbage.
 
I started out my adult life as a Republican. This was an era when Victor Atiyeh was a Republican and first Arab American Governor. Mark Hatfield, a self-described pacifist was our senior Senator. Bob Packwood was a pro-choice Republican (I didn't know about the weird sex stuff when I voted for him). Tom McCall was our governor in my childhood. He passed the Bottle Bill, created the Urban Growth Boundary around Portland and made all submersible lands (beaches) in Oregon public. Bob Dole was part of that Republican Party and we really need it back.

The only thing keeping the Democratic Party healthy is a healthy Republican Party. Democrats won't stay healthy for long with a Republican Party in its current state.
 
Ron Obvious said:
An honourable man who dedicated his life to serving his country. I see no reason to blacken his name just because I disagreed with him politically.
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acbytesla said:
I absolutely disagreed with his political beliefs. But Dole was a good man.
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"I'm a Trumper"
- Bob Dole

In other words, he looked at the man who insinuated Mexicans were rapists, that neo-nazis were fine people, tried to blackmail a foreign country into interfering with the election, and said that you can just grab women by the genitals and they will let you do it, and said "Yup, that's what I want!"

From: USA Today
He was one of the few elders of the traditional Republican establishment to endorse Donald Trump in 2016 and the only former presidential nominee to attend the convention that nominated Trump....In his day, Dole was known for a quick wit and a sharp partisanship, defending President Richard Nixon during the Watergate scandal and controversially citing "Democrat wars" during the vice presidential debate in 1976.

I hate to make this another thread about Trump... But, I do think that his support for Trump is a significant black mark in any politicians career, and its hard for me to reconcile someone being both a Trump supporter and a "good man", despite any good works they might have done in the past.

(In the quoted article, Dole also complained about how the U.S. has "lost something", and complained about the current lack of bipartisanship...but again its a bit hypocritical for him to do so given his support for the most polarizing president in history, and his desire for bipartisanship is along the lines of "why won't the Democrats cave in to the republicans?")
 
Segnosaur said:
"I'm a Trumper"
- Bob Dole

In other words, he looked at the man who insinuated Mexicans were rapists, that neo-nazis were fine people, tried to blackmail a foreign country into interfering with the election, and said that you can just grab women by the genitals and they will let you do it, and said "Yup, that's what I want!"

From: USA Today
He was one of the few elders of the traditional Republican establishment to endorse Donald Trump in 2016 and the only former presidential nominee to attend the convention that nominated Trump....In his day, Dole was known for a quick wit and a sharp partisanship, defending President Richard Nixon during the Watergate scandal and controversially citing "Democrat wars" during the vice presidential debate in 1976.

I hate to make this another thread about Trump... But, I do think that his support for Trump is a significant black mark in any politicians career, and its hard for me to reconcile someone being both a Trump supporter and a "good man", despite any good works they might have done in the past.

(In the quoted article, Dole also complained about how the U.S. has "lost something", and complained about the current lack of bipartisanship...but again its a bit hypocritical for him to do so given his support for the most polarizing president in history, and his desire for bipartisanship is along the lines of "why won't the Democrats cave in to the republicans?")
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He was in his 90s. I'll give him a break on Trump.
 
I dunno, the feller actually shed blood for our nation. I may disagree with some things. The concept of honor seems to be sorely missing lately. RIP.
 
I'll give Dole in his dotage a pass on Trump, and certainly he did honorable service, and had more integrity than many who have followed. At various times, it seems, he did indeed support bills and causes that most would agree were worthy of support. I must say, though, that in addition to disagreeing with him on many things, I think he amplified the partisan obstructionism of the Senate when he ruled there, and his lament for bipartisanship whiffs of hypocrisy. I think because his long career straddled the era of old fashioned Republicans and neoconservative wreckers, we can remember him either way, honoring what he did right, but not forgetting where he ended up.
 
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