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Bill Cosby trial

wasapi

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(Once again, for a reason too long to explain, I am unable to cut&paste using this computer.)

But really, it is difficult to AVOID hearing or reading about the current trial. It seems it could open an interesting discussion.

There are a couple of forum members who seem to believe no one is guilty. But I am having a difficult time coming up with any - ANY - idea of defense. He is pathologically arrogant, (in my opinion), and I don't believe that will help him at all.

Though I usually avoid celebrity-based news, this time is different. For anyone who has experienced sexual abuse, for anyone who has felt shame, betrayal and hopelessness, will find this time is different.
 
I think an interesting comparison is the Rolf Harris case. There is a thread on Injustice Anywhere.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=3363

Blind Freddie can see that after Bill Cosby conceded he stupified women then had sex, the case is closed.
Rolf Harris is in a completely different space. Note he is employing detectives to check on his accusers. I bet Cosby isn't.
 
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I heard a little bit of this the other day, not caring a whole lot about it, but was struck by the absurdity of the defense acknowledging that the woman was drugged, but contending that the sex was consensual. Sure, I'll be happy to have sex with you but not awake? Seems a bit flimsy.
 
bruto said:
I heard a little bit of this the other day, not caring a whole lot about it, but was struck by the absurdity of the defense acknowledging that the woman was drugged, but contending that the sex was consensual. Sure, I'll be happy to have sex with you but not awake? Seems a bit flimsy.
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Yes, it is absurd.

If a person had never taken a quaalude before, it would make them nearly
comatose.

(Back in the day, I took a couple, not an experience I ever wanted to repeat,
alcohol was my drug of choice.)

"Here, take this, you'll feel better."
Wake up ten hours later with no memory and signs of sexual assault.

It reminds me of the Max Luster? (is that his name?), gave his victims
GHB and then filmed his assaults on comatose women.
 
Samson said:
Wasapi may be including me in this.
It is a nonsense conveniently missing the point that cases where innocent people are in jail deserve attention.
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Samson. I apologize. Yes, you were one I had in mind, but I didn't mean to sound like I was calling you out or mocking your view.

I really do respect your passion to bring out a fair and just defense. And I do admit to being slanted towards the prosecution side.

So you're correct. It was nonsense for me to bring it up. My apology.
 
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Yeggster said:
For comparison .. I didn't even know it went to trial yet. ... nor do I care.
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Are there any threads on this forum that don't have people proclaiming their lack of interest in the subject? If the subject of a thread doesn't interest you, the appropriate course of action seems pretty obvious to me -- and posting a comment isn't it.
 
bruto said:
I heard a little bit of this the other day, not caring a whole lot about it, but was struck by the absurdity of the defense acknowledging that the woman was drugged, but contending that the sex was consensual. Sure, I'll be happy to have sex with you but not awake? Seems a bit flimsy.
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I assumed that's how Trump did it.
 
wasapi said:
Samson said:
Wasapi may be including me in this.
It is a nonsense conveniently missing the point that cases where innocent people are in jail deserve attention.
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Samson. I apologize. Yes, you were one I had in mind, but I didn't mean to sound like I was calling you out or mocking your view.

I really do respect your passion to bring out a fair and just defense. And I do admit to being slanted towards the prosecution side.

So you're correct. It was nonsense for me to bring it up. My apology.
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No need to apologise.
Ampulla has been meaner from the sisterhood and I still love her.
 
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Samson said:
No need to apologise.
Ampulla has been meaner from the sisterhood and I still love her.
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I have? If I have, I apologize.

I know I get frustrated because I spend days, even weeks, researching a case. I read all the transcripts, I read everything I can get my hands on (preferably from both sides), and I come to a conclusion. You won't do any research at all though. You just want to regurgitate what someone else has posted as your position, which by the way, is almost always that said person is innocent and has been framed. I suppose I get exasperated and it comes out. I will try to be mindful of my snark in the future.
 
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Sergei Walankov said:
Are there any threads on this forum that don't have people proclaiming their lack of interest in the subject? If the subject of a thread doesn't interest you, the appropriate course of action seems pretty obvious to me -- and posting a comment isn't it.
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For comparison .. I didn't even know you thought that ... nor do I care.
 
Bill Cosby on consent (and the power of Benadryl). From the trial:

Cosby, who stands accused of three counts of aggravated indecent assault, described going forward with fondling Andrea Constand because “she did not stop me and, and I wanted to go.” He offered a bizarre version of what happened the night Constand says he drugged and sexually assaulted her—saying that he gave Constand one and a half Benadryls (the well-known side effects of which include sleepiness) and claiming that after taking them, she suddenly wanted to have sex with him. Cosby, though, didn’t consider what they did sex, even though he believed he might have given her an orgasm. He called what they did “petting” or “necking.”
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http://jezebel.com/bill-cosbys-insanely-**********-up-ideas-about-consent-and-1795941831

It is amazing he could do this to so many people for so long...

One of the great steps forward in law enforcement involved taking women's statements seriously. Look at just about every serial killer who was able to continue murdering for years at a time and you will find investigators dismissing stories by women (Green River killer, Bundy) and other less respected portions of society (Dahmer, gay men).

People have been saying this about Cosby for DECADES and people shrugged their shoulders.

On a positive note, this officer seemed highly inclined to support a victim's testimony against defense counsel smearing:

http://jezebel.com/cop-who-investigated-bill-cosby-sasses-the-****-out-of-1795918462
 
Veronique Valliere

I first became aware of Jezebel because of the Title IX-induced action that Yale University took against Jack Montague. It led me to expect snarky, biased reporting from them when the topic involves possible sexual assault or rape, and the links above do not disappoint. One more thing, there are alleged victims at this point. Once one refers to them as victims, one has pre-judged the case, a common problem in Title IX proceedings IMO.

Here is a link to attorney Scott Greenfield's discussion of Veronique Valliere, and her testimony in the present case. "The prosecution against Bill Cosby hired Veronique Valliere as its excuse witness. The judge allowed her to testify as an expert witness as to why all the things the alleged victim, Andrea Constand, failed to do shouldn’t impugn her credibility, and in fact bolster her cred. But the prosecution took it a step farther."
 
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Benadryl my ass. I hope the jury knows better than to believe benadryl was the drug he used. He admits guilt while changing a few details to excuse his assault.
 
wasapi said:
(Once again, for a reason too long to explain, I am unable to cut&paste using this computer.)

But really, it is difficult to AVOID hearing or reading about the current trial. It seems it could open an interesting discussion.

There are a couple of forum members who seem to believe no one is guilty. But I am having a difficult time coming up with any - ANY - idea of defense. He is pathologically arrogant, (in my opinion), and I don't believe that will help him at all.

Though I usually avoid celebrity-based news, this time is different. For anyone who has experienced sexual abuse, for anyone who has felt shame, betrayal and hopelessness, will find this time is different.
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And I'm pretty sure one of those is actually mentally ill.

I loved Cosby as a kid. I memorized every album he put out and even up till today, if I need to give an example of convuluted planning I'll link to a youtube video of Cosby's bit describing street football as a kid in Philly.

Having said that, There is more than enough evidence that he was a predator - he had a distinct MO, and evidently it became a regular pattern of behavior.

Because of his status in the entertainment business, he would be no different from the entertainers, musicians etc that have historically been given leeway in less than acceptable (even illegal) behavior. Loved celebrities get a bunch more slack than Joe Lunch Box - the star is eccentric and entertaining. Joe Lunch Box is a boor and might be up to no good. Think Whoopie Goldberg on Polanski - "It wasn't rape - rape." If that was Joe Lunch Box, the local media might not have even reported on the crime.

In Cosby's defense, his case wouldn't be the first where somebody raised their hand "Hey! Me Too!" after the news broke with no truth to the allegation, but Cosby himself in the earlier lawsuit had admitted to the behavior alleged by victims.

I think his defense is playing for time more than anything else.

Interesting to note that Cosby was also acting as a self-appointed comedy monitor wrt younger comedians. He has contacted younger comedians out of the clear blue and with no preamble lectured them on working blue (profanity, sexual or other "blue" humor) and it's ironic that he'd find a comedian making sexual jokes objectionable while drugging women and raping them in his personal life.
 
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