Better than pentawater!

[uneasy]

Did anyone else see this one yet?

Forget penta water. Here is Hexagonal Water!

If penta=5 and hexa=6, then this obviously is one better than pentawater!

The body’s trillions of cells vibrate and pulsate to a complex system of harmonic frequencies. This pulsation of life enables cells to communicate with each other and perform crucial biological and chemical exchanges. Any disruption of this harmonic pulsation can cause pain, discomfort and disease.

The healthiest water has beautiful crystal hexagonal formations even in its liquid form, but they become most apparent just before freezing. Unhealthy water on the other hand, typically has large or pentagonal molecular clusters or remains chaotically formless even as it starts to freeze.

 

[geni]

By adding transition metal ions I can make water form octahedral complexes which sould be 1 1/3 times as good.

 

[Vorticity]

Sigh.

The healthiest water has beautiful crystal hexagonal formations even in its liquid form, but they become most apparent just before freezing. Unhealthy water on the other hand, typically has large or pentagonal molecular clusters or remains chaotically formless even as it starts to freeze.

As is sometimes the case with woo claims, there is a very, very tiny grain of truth buried in all this muck.

It is true that water molecules spontaneously form clusters even at room temperature. These clusters are held together loosely by hydrogen bonds. However, they form and break apart on a time scale of about 10^-12 seconds, and they certainly aren't "crystal hexagonal formations", except at temperatures VERY close to the freezing point (since the crystal structure of ice is hexagonal-close-packed).

The bit about "healthy" vs "unhealthy" water is of course nonsense, as is the part about water forming pentagonal clusters.
Water is, at normal room temperatures, always "chaotically formless", as any "forms" that might develop fly apart again after a tiny fraction of a second due to random thermal motion.

See also this thread: http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29218

The claims of penta-water-type woo-woos particularly annoy me because their nonsense claims happen to fall smack dab in the center of my field of research...

 

[Vorticity]

By adding transition metal ions I can make water form octahedral complexes which sould be 1 1/3 times as good.

Do the octahedral complexes persist in time, or are they transitory on a thermal time scale? Just curious.

 

[geni]

Do the octahedral complexes persist in time, or are they transitory on a thermal time scale? Just curious.

In as far as I understand this it depend on the metal and the charge on it. I belive that for the d block metals these complexs are quite stable and in some cases it is even posible to isolate them in a crysaline form.

 

[Vorticity]

In as far as I understand this it depend on the metal and the charge on it. I belive that for the d block metals these complexs are quite stable and in some cases it is even posible to isolate them in a crysaline form.

What I mean is, if you throw, say, 100 Zinc ions (or whatever is the right ion) into a glass of pure water, will you get 100 of these little octahedral clusters that float around in your otherwise pure H2O without breaking apart? Or do random thermal motions knock apart the octahedrons every 10^-12 seconds or so, so that they're only octahedral on average?

If the former, then you may have a $ making scheme on your hands there!

 

[geni]

zinc is not a good choice but other that assuming you had pure water these things would be stable. Sure a small number would break up from time to time but for most perposes they would be stable.

 

[tracer]

Beware!
If you hit the right water-clump size, you'll get polywater, and once that happens all the Earth's oceans will turn into Jell-O!

 

[geni]

Polywater is called ice (or posibly super crital fluid water)
Still these people seam to have mised a trick. Ammonia is also caperble of hydrogen bonding so how long will it be before we see hexammonia sold as a better ferlitzer?

 

[BTox]

Did anyone else see this one yet?

Forget penta water. Here is Hexagonal Water!

If penta=5 and hexa=6, then this obviously is one better than pentawater!

Good old water scams. Amazes me that people fall for scams that involve ssomething as basic and simple as water. Surprised no one is selling the equivalent "penta/hexa" air.

 

[Hamish]

The healthiest water has beautiful crystal hexagonal formations even in its liquid form, but they become most apparent just before freezing. Unhealthy water on the other hand, typically has large or pentagonal molecular clusters or remains chaotically formless even as it starts to freeze.

Hang on. They're claiming that Pentawater is unhealthy? I wonder if the Pentapeople have read that.

Let battle commence! May the greater woo win!

 

[xouper]

Vorticity: The claims of penta-water-type woo-woos particularly annoy me because their nonsense claims happen to fall smack dab in the center of my field of research...

I'm guessing then that the nonsense about so-called super-ionized water also irks you?

Some example websites:
http://www.drjoshuadavidstone.com/wol.htm
http://www.angelwater.net/topic.html

I especially liked their claim that molecules of super-ionized water are half the size of normal water. This is so obviously stoopid that I don't see how anyone could possibly believe it, but I know some who do.

To confuse things even more, there are actually two different categories of super-ionized water products, one kind for personal ingestion and another for cleaning the environment, and these are sometimes referred to interchangeably.

The original transcript of a presentation by Drunvalo at Wesak 1999 seems to have gone missing from the net (it used to be at http://www.transformacomm.com/), but mirror copies are still around, including this one:

http://principalityofcamside.cc/Government/USA/NESARA/R200203250204pm.htm

(Don't be misled by the references to NESARA, since they have nothing to do with it.)

Another copy here (in two parts):
http://www.phoenixascended.org/newtech/mntfop1.html
http://www.phoenixascended.org/newtech/mntfop2.html

From personal experience I can say that anyone who tries researching the company that makes this super-ionized water, Perfect Science of Turkey, and its affiliates and spinoffs will have much difficulty following who's who and what's what. Things are not necessarily what they first seem and once you dig into it, there are all sorts of conflicting claims, cross-allegations, and broken allegiances. A couple of years ago, I tried sorting it all out and eventually gave up.

 

[tracer]

I especially liked their claim that molecules of super-ionized water are half the size of normal water.

Well, of course they are! If you super-ionize water molecules by stripping off all their electrons, the bare hydrogen and oxygen nuclei are going to be an awful lot smaller than the original water molecules were.

Of course, to get them into this state you'll have to heat them to many thousands of degrees, thus turning them into a plasma, but hey, you can't make an omelete without breaking eggs. (I can't imagine a superheated hydrogen-and-oxygen plasma would be all that healthy to ingest, though.)

 

[Correa Neto]

Gentlemen, it makes sense!
Pentagrams are used in black magic, while David´s star fits inside an hexagon!

 

[pupdog]

Do I have to recalibrate my dowsing wand?

 

[xouper]

tracer: Well, of course they are! If you super-ionize water molecules by stripping off all their electrons, ...

Interesting point. Except they do the opposite. They add electrons to make the super-ionized water. Three electrons per molecule if you believe Drunvalo (and others). When I talked to Mike Mickley, head chemist of Perfect Sceince, he said that Drunvalo had misunderstood. Mickley said they add "free" electrons, not "three". People like Drunvalo don't let little things like facts get in the way of a good story, however.