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Atheists cannot be moral.

1inChrist

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The reason atheists can't be moral is because atheists do not live a life according to His Word. Every since the Original Parents disobeyed God, human beings have become naturally evil. If you use your own natural morals and not God's idea of morals which can be found in His Word, you are using Satan's morals. Even though they seem right to you, they are wrong.
 
1inChrist said:
The reason atheists can't be moral is because atheists do not live a life according to His Word. Every since the Original Parents disobeyed God, human beings have become naturally evil. If you use your own natural morals and not God's idea of morals which can be found in His Word, you are using Satan's morals. Even though they seem right to you, they are wrong.
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Really? So my personal ethics of not stealing, not lying, not murdering, and not committing adultery are incorrect, and I'm immoral for following these self-decided ethics? Fascinating.
 
Most atheists seem to have morality superior to god.

I'm generalizing here, of course, but we don't believe in infinite punishment for finite crimes. We don't support slavery. We don't support the subjugation of women. We don't support patricide and sacrificing living beings to appease some deity. We wouldn't fly planes into buildings because a supposed deity tells us to.

I'll match my morality against yours any day.




I win! Argument by superior morality!
 
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TragicMonkey said:
Really? So my personal ethics of not stealing, not lying, not murdering, and not committing adultery are incorrect, and I'm immoral for following these self-decided ethics? Fascinating.
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I'm sure you have some morals that agree with God's idea of morality but Satan will mix Truth with lies.
 
Didn't some religous figure say something about the immorality of judging others?

Is it possible that this attitude could lead to bigotry towards people who are not Christian? I find bigotry immoral but what do I know.
 
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1inChrist said:
I'm sure you have some morals that agree with God's idea of morality but Satan will mix Truth with lies.
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But you did say that. You said if I followed my own ideas of morality while being an atheist, my morals are inherently immoral. I'm not living a life in according to his word, therefore I'm immoral.

Perhaps you need to redefine "moral" to mean something about one's actions and ethics, and not about their religious beliefs? Or will you descend into a poorly-punctuated maelstrom of random heresies cobbled together by untutored zealots who know little of logic and reasoning?
 
What is moral about being a member of a church where the pastor preaches the True Word of God, and refusing to share with others what this church is, or how they can come to it to hear the Word delivered correctly, and be saved?

And if you think God is commanding you to keep the True Word a secret, or you think that God wants you to *not* tell people how they can find Him through your church, how do you know THAT isn't a trick from Satan?
 
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1inChrist said:
I'm sure you have some morals that agree with God's idea of morality but Satan will mix Truth with lies.
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Which part of TragicMonkey's "not stealing, not lying, not murdering, and not committing adultery" are Satan's lies?
 
To clarify, 1inC, you have put yourself into an untenable position. Either you must admit that it's possible to be good without following god, or you must rule that a moral action is immoral depending on who does it.

First case: If telling the truth is moral, and an atheist tells the truth, he is being moral. Therefore, belief god is irrelevant to morality and your hypothesis is disproven.

Second case: If a Christian tells the truth it is a moral act, but while an atheist tells the truth it is an immoral act. Morality, therefore, rests not in the action but in the religious beliefs of the person performing the action.

I know Aquinas could defend either position, but seriously doubt you're up to the task.

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TragicMonkey said:

Second case: If a Christian tells the truth it is a moral act, but while an atheist tells the truth it is an immoral act. Morality, therefore, rests not in the action but in the religious beliefs of the person performing the action.

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Well, he thinks Ghandi and the Dalai Lama couldn't/can't be moral, because they didn't/don't believe in God.
 
TragicMonkey said:
To clarify, 1inC, you have put yourself into an untenable position. Either you must admit that it's possible to be good without following god, or you must rule that a moral action is immoral depending on who does it.

First case: If telling the truth is moral, and an atheist tells the truth, he is being moral. Therefore, belief god is irrelevant to morality and your hypothesis is disproven.

Second case: If a Christian tells the truth it is a moral act, but while an atheist tells the truth it is an immoral act. Morality, therefore, rests not in the action but in the religious beliefs of the person performing the action.

I know Aquinas could defend either position, but seriously doubt you're up to the task.

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If you don't steal because your own natural morality tells you not to, you are not right you are wrong. The point is not about your actions, it's about do you follow God? If you do not follow God you are bad even if your actions agree with God's idea of good.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Well, he thinks Ghandi and the Dalai Lama couldn't/can't be moral, because they didn't/don't believe in God.
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Wow. I could have sworn both of them were religious figures of some note.
 
1inChrist said:
If you don't steal because your own natural morality tells you not to, you are not right you are wrong. The point is not about your actions, it's about do you follow God? If you do not follow God you are bad even if your actions agree with God's idea of good.
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You have chosen option two: morality has nothing to do with actions. Therefore, a Christian who follows god can commit acts such as murder and rape while remaining moral, because he believes in god.

Please try reading Aquinas. Your religion made more sense before it abandoned reason.
 
I suspect that 1inChrist believes that people who worship 'Mon Dieu' are going to hell also.
 
1inChrist said:
The reason atheists can't be moral is because atheists do not live a life according to His Word. Every since the Original Parents disobeyed God, human beings have become naturally evil. If you use your own natural morals and not God's idea of morals which can be found in His Word, you are using Satan's morals. Even though they seem right to you, they are wrong.
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AMEN

 
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1inChrist said:
I'm sure you have some morals that agree with God's idea of morality but Satan will mix Truth with lies.
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And Satan's biggest trick was the Bible. Just have a look at all those mindless drones who he got to follow him as God.

 
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