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Assistance required for telepathy proof

golfy

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Hi all,

In the past I have participated in some experiments to determine whether telepathy exists and have obtained conclusive results that I am telepathic.

Initially the University where the testing was done were very pleased to have someone who was so keen to participate in their telepathy investigation program and offered me as many tests as I wanted. Unfortunately once the University saw the results that I was getting after only two tests they refused to let me participate in any more of their experiments. They then tightened the rules stating that I could not do tests with people I had only known for a short while but to do further tests my partner had to be close family or a long term friend. When my cousin volunteered to participate in the test to meet the requirements the University had set they simply said that they would no longer allow me to participate in more experiments and have not allowed me to do any more since then.

What I am looking for is someone who can provide the required equipment such as a polygraph so that further tests can be done to prove that I can transmit my thoughts to others at will. I have a lot of circumstantial evidence that I can and from my personal experiences I am 100% certain that I can transfer ideas and thoughts, words etc to others which can be proven using a polygraph.

I am willing to donate 10% of the JREF Challenge money if the JREF Challenge is won by myself to anyone who can assist me in proving my claim, preferably with a polygraph, using a repeatable method that can stand up to scientific scrutiny and that can be repeated at will when asked to do so by the JREF judges. I know I can telepathically transmit my thoughts, the experiment just has to be accurate enough to provide proof. This is not difficult under the right conditions and can be achieved relatively easily with a polygraph.

I have email a copy of the experiments that I participated in to the JREF and they will presumably appear on the Challenge blog. If anyone would like a copy in MS Word format or by email please let me know by email and I will send a copy to you.

golfy@qmcr.fsnet.co.uk

Golfy.
 
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I suggest looking at some of the other proposed telepathy protocols here. A polygraph result most likely will not be acceptable for the Challenge.
 
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Perhaps you could help us out with a few details, such as:
1. What is the name of this University that demanded that you have a long-term personal relationship with the people you test with?
2. What were the conditions of the successful tests that you did take, and what exactly were the results?
3. Why do you think a polygraph might be helpful? Either the results will be obvious, or they won't.
 
A polygraph can be fooled by trained people, I doubt the JREF would ever accept a polygraph as proof.
 
Are you trying to say that you will transmit a message to a recipient, have the recipient tell us what he thinks the message was, have you tell us whether he was correct or not, then use the polygraph on yourself to "prove" that you were telling us the truth about the message sent?
Totally unacceptable.
 
golfy said:
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using a repeatable method that can stand up to scientific scrutiny and that can be repeated at will when asked to do so by the JREF.
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I refer you to this. This is the only one of the dozens of telepathic claims which proceeded to an actual test because Mr. Achau Nguyen wanted it.

In my opinion, a polygraph will almost defintely be rejected be the JREF - as others already have said. To receive an official answer: challenge@randi.org



Very important: There must not be any
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because the results have to be self-evident. The above mentioned protocol will tell you what is meant with that. Please read the protocol thoroughly a couple of times before submitting questions. Should you prove to act in good faith, the forum members will assist you to the best of their ability - as you can see from this link.
 
The protocol that I was going to suggest is a selection of words, say 10, are chosen at random in a way that suits JREF. One of these words is given to me and I will repeat the word in my head a number of times. The receiver on a polygraph will be asked if they have heard the first word of the 10 and the polygraph results will then give an indication of whether they have or not. All ten words will be gone through in sequence and there should be one word which gives a large deflection on the polygraph over the others. This would then be the word that I was thinking of and the receiver on the polygraph has detected as I can telepathically transmit my thoughts. The JREF would then confirm the word that I was given and it would match the word that produced the deflection on the polygraph.

If this is repeated a number of times then it should be acceptable to the JREF. A polygraph is only an instrument that shows the body’s stress to a certain situation or question, it does not detect lies per se but would simply be used to show which word I had transmitted to the receiver.

I would rather not divulge the location of the University who did the tests at the moment but I can email you the results of the experiments I took part in if you would like to read them. If so please email me at golfy@qmcr.fsnet.co.uk

I have also sent them to the JREF at challenge@randi.org and they should be posted on the Challenge Blog as soon as they have read them and edited out my contact details.

Regards

Golfy
 
Alternate plan-You are given ten words, one at a time, which you will transmit to your recipient. She/he will then write down what she/he thinks those words are, and we compare her/his list to our master list. Neither you nor your recipient will have any knowledge of what these words are until the time of the test. No judging of polygraph results.
 
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golfy said:
The protocol that I was going to suggest is a selection of words, say 10, are chosen at random in a way that suits JREF. One of these words is given to me and I will repeat the word in my head a number of times. The receiver on a polygraph will be asked if they have heard the first word of the 10 and the polygraph results will then give an indication of whether they have or not. All ten words will be gone through in sequence and there should be one word which gives a large deflection on the polygraph over the others. This would then be the word that I was thinking of and the receiver on the polygraph has detected as I can telepathically transmit my thoughts. The JREF would then confirm the word that I was given and it would match the word that produced the deflection on the polygraph.
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You have to get rid of the idea of using a polygraph. Seriously. It's not gonna happen.
 
Czarcasm said:
Alternate plan-You are given ten words, one at a time, which you will transmit to your recipient. She/he will then write down what she/he thinks those words are, and we compare her/his list to our master list. Neither you nor your recipient will have any knowledge of what these words are until the time of the test. No judging of polygraph results.
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Would you be comfortable with this - a brief description of a blind test - golfy?
 
Hi Czarcasm

Yes you can show them to the list (email on its way to you) and would be grateful if you could. The only reason why they are not on there is because I could no upload the pictures. Why the If not, why not? question when I have already stated that they should be appearing on the Challenge Blog soon as I have already sent them to JREF - you seem to be suggesting that I am trying to hide some thing - that is exactly what I am not trying to do. The polygraph prevents the receiver from trying to hide the fact that he/she has heard the answer or number but is then denying it or perhaps it is subconscious as has been suggested but I doubt it.

During the test I have done before I have been given very strong indications in and out of the lab that others can hear my thoughts quite clearly but they always deny it. I can’t see how the other person (receiver) has then responded to me when I was reading the notes that I was given which then caused a deflection of the GSR if they didn’t hear my thoughts. But that said they heard nothing – the graphs shows different.

If it was a simple case of the person writing down what they heard when I think then I would have the challenge in the bag already. As it seems that people do not want to admit that they can actually hear my thoughts then a polygraph would get around the deception problem if it exists. I can certainly produce correlating GSR plots when thinking to people things that would raise their GSR as has been shown, a polygraph is just a fancy GSR which is more accurate and would provide more exact results than the GSR which then requires less interpretation.

Please see James Randi and Thought Transference on You Tube for a similar experiment but I believe that it was a trick rather than genuine telepathy. If James Randi has shown that given the right correlation between a GSR and someone thinking definite thought as shown in my plots attached then I can’t see why it would not be acceptable in the challenge. After all I do have scientific proof backing my claim up so far where few if any are willing to do so and am trying to get this into as scientific, water tight experiment as is possible to achieve the results and to eliminate all forms of trickery such as denial by the receiver etc as I believe the more water tight and scientific the experiment and the more it removes any possibility of any kind of deception within the experiment the more proof it produce that I am indeed telepathic. Any deviation from being as scientifically tested as possible seems like trying to steer away from the truth.

Regards

golfy
 
Golfy,

You mentioned your belief that other people can hear your thoughts. Do people have to be nearby or visible to you in order to do this?

Do you believe this has happened or could happen over a distance measured in miles?

What different result would you expect if a person agreed that they could hear your thoughts?
 
Golfy, why haven't you offered some of the MDC prize money to someone who can hear your thoughts? Wouldn't it be very strange if someone couldn't be persuaded (with part of the MDC prize money) to admit that they can hear your thoughts?

And, it seems very, very strange that someone should not want to admit that they can hear your thoughts. Even if they are on the receiving end, not the transmitting end, of actual telepathic communication, they would go down in history, they would usher in wonderful new possibilities for humanity, etc., etc. And yet, somehow, we are to believe you that they don't want to admit their ability to anyone but you (I presume they have admitted it to you, otherwise, you woudn't know that they could hear you, right?).

Do you see how what you've laid out for us doesn't quite add up?
 
Hi,

Is there a reason why Czarcasm has not pasted the email i have just sent him on the forum so other can see it?

To DoubtingStephen - If Czarcasm would post the plots I have just sent him or anyone else then you will see for yourself what I mean. There is a definite correlation between what I am thinking and the GSR response of the receiver. I also asked the university if I could participate in an experiment where the senders and receivers EEG are measured with each in remote locations. The sender is then shown photographs of the receiver on a PC monitor and the receivers brain waves are monitored. They brain wave plots are then analysed to determine if there is any correlation between a defined occurrence at the transmitters end and the receivers EEG. No correlation have been shown as yet but they would not allow me to participate in one of the tests when I arrived.

They have never shown any correlation on the DMILS (GSR) tests either between the sender and the receiver on over 250 applicants but on mine it clearly showed definite correlation between what I was thinking and the GSR plot of the receiver. A pad and paper would be of little use under these conditions.

I know that if I claim that people near me, 100 yards away from me or even miles away from me can hear my thoughts would simply be rejected as complete nonsense so I see no point in going in that direction as without scientific measurement such as GSR, polygraph etc then nothing will be accomplished by discussion here.

I am of course willing to discuss what you think has caused the GSR plots to be so accurate.

As a footnote, when the experiment was being set up and the receiver was connected to the GSR in a sound proof booth 40 yards away and the researcher and I could watch his GSR on a monitor in the room that I was in, the researcher said “Look, Dave if flat lining” (Dave was the receiver) – I then said “Wake up Dave, you’re flat lining!” His GSR immediately went up sharply to a high level. Isn’t this proof that other people can hear my thoughts? I turned to the researcher and said “See, he can hear me. Telepathy.” The researcher looked shocked, turned around and walked to the door of the room and then insisted that the experiment started and would not discuss what we had both just seen any more. After I obtained the results which I have sent to Czarcasm, the University have refused to give me any more tests.

Regards

golfy
 
I would of course be more than happy to offer the 10% of the prize money from JREF to anyone who can repeat to me what I am thinking under controlled conditions to the JREFs satisfaction.

I do however find it strange that people on a forum aiming to dismiss or prove other peoples claims to have a paranormal ability seem reluctant to conduct an experiment which will categorically prove that I can actually transmit my thoughts to another person. If I were Derek Ogilvy, Uri Geller or a claimed psychic and I offered an accurate, scientific based test which would categorically prove or disprove my claim in a totally undisputable way then half the sceptics would be on my doorstep waiting with baited breath to have a go at proving me wrong.

In reality I am the exact opposite of most claimants like magnet men, spoon benders, psychics etc in that I would welcome the to be the most rigorous, deceit proof test available which would totally eradicates all forms of human manipulation on both the receivers and transmitters side, all forms of mistakes being made etc and yet you seem to be trying to talk me out of it and into something that can be manipulated, tricks can be played and lies can be told. I am simply trying to steer the testing into the most scientific, manipulation proof manner humanly possible and people seem very uninterested in doing that. Why?

golfy
 
I think the most scientific test does not involve a polygraph, since there is much debate about their accuracy.

A deceit proof test is easily achieved by you bringing someone you trust to receive your thoughts perfectly. Surely one of your friends will agree to do so if you're waving a million dollars in their face.

You in one room. Them in another. A sealed list of ten words neither of you has seen. You knowing that your friend is doing his utmost to hear your thoughts and is not a JREF stooge deceiving you.

What would your trusted accomplice have to gain by lying?

I know this whole idea was mentioned by Czarcasm above, but saying things more makes them truer, non?
 
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I am simply trying to steer the testing into the most scientific, manipulation proof manner humanly possible and people seem very uninterested in doing that. Why?
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Because you're engaging in a lot of talk on a forum that's seen nothing but frauds and mental cases.

Forego the chit-chat on the forum, submit an application with a protocol to JREF, and work out the protocol details with the people with whom you'll actually do the negotiations for the protocol. Trying to work out the protocol here will likely only frustrate you.

If you're already asking "Why, oh why aren't people helping me rather than criticizing me?" you're in for a rough time. Drop the forum conversation and deal directly with JREF.
 
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