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Are There Any Pre-Defined Tests Accepted?

DRBUZZ0

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I had a thought about the million dollar challenge. Some of the complaints or confusion out there comes from the fact that the challenge is loosely defined and that the protocol is to be worked out by the foundation and the individual in question.

Perhaps it would help foster an understanding and make it simpler if there were some examples given of pre-approved protocols which would constitute a paranormal proof. This may also help silence the "Oh well it's their decision so I won't even do it." arguments which are stupid but seem to be in no short supply.

In other words the challenge would be to prove paranormal effects by an agreed protocol and add

"The following test procedures would qualify:"

"If you can get at least 80% acuracy in determining a 10 strings of 8 random numbers in transmitted from another person in another room, with accuracy and if this can be repeated on different occasions... ect ect"

"If you can demonstrate the ability to diagnose an illness of a person in a remote location with an accuracy of at least 80% for disease name or speffic indicating traits and with no more than a 10% incidence of completely inaccurate...ect ect"

"If you can demonstrate the ability to cause motion of an object without physical contact and without the use of any magnetic or electrical fields or other classical influences and if the object can be verified to move...."

"If you can demonstrate an ability to communicate with the deceased by providing...."


"Or If you can propose a mutually acceptable test for proving any other paranormal...."



In this way it is made more concrete from the getgo. Offer a few examples that can be taken and are not subject to the "Well they won't agree to what I want to do so I'm not going to ask because there will be a loophole"

Rather it's all out there: You do this. You get the million. Open and shut. No and if's or buts.


Has this already been done? I have not seen anything on it...
 
DRBUZZ0 said:
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Some of the complaints or confusion out there comes from the fact that the challenge is loosely defined and that the protocol is to be worked out by the foundation and the individual in question.
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Rather it's all out there: You do this. You get the million.
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Spending beaucoup time outside "Forum Community" might have affected your skills, DRBUZZ0. Or has it. ;)



The parts of your OP I highlighted contradict themselves, in my book at least. Perhaps you haven't thought it through.

The JREF Challenge works quite mundane:
Apply with a clearly worded claim, explain how you intend to prove it "under satisfactory observing conditions", execute two successful trials of your claimed ability and walk away a millionaire.

It's really that simple. Or is it?
 
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The issue of pre-determined tests comes up regularly in this sub-forum, seemingly mostly by people who do not understand that it is all about the claim.

Or by folks who like to talk with no real consequence. If anyone reading this feels offended, well, then you know which category you belong to. Or do you?
 
GzuzKryzt said:
Spending beaucoup time outside "Forum Community" might have affected your skills, DRBUZZ0. Or has it. ;)



The parts of your OP I highlighted contradict themselves, in my book at least. Perhaps you haven't thought it through.

The JREF Challenge works quite mundane:
Apply with a clearly worded claim, explain how you intend to prove it "under satisfactory observing conditions", execute two successful trials of your claimed ability and walk away a millioaire.

It's really that simple. Or is it?
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Perhaps that was a poor choice of wording. I am aware that the challenge has fair and well defined criteria, but the protocol is ultimately something which depends on the claim. There are those who make the argument "Well, I just know if I go to them and try to take the challenge they'll just make the test impossible or have a loophole or something..."

No, *I* am not saying and *I* think that argument is stupid and has been delt with numerous times. However, as a means of neutralizing it from the get-go, I would think some pre-approved tests would be helpful. It removes some confusion and simplifies the message. (Note: *I* am not confused)

For someone like sylvia browne, if there are some texts laid out in black and white which are obviously fair and reasonable, and pertain to some of the more commonly claimed powers, then it might h, most of whom are not acquainted with the procedure.
 
DRBUZZ0 said:
...For someone like sylvia browne, if there are some texts laid out in black and white which are obviously fair and reasonable, and pertain to some of the more commonly claimed powers, then it might h, most of whom are not acquainted with the procedure.
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Well, the problem with this is if JREF were to lay out a protocol in black & white, Sylvia would find some fault in it and then use /that/ as an excuse as to why the Challenge is unfair, she won't take it, etc., etc. I appreciate what you're suggesting (and I think it would certainly be useful to have a library of protocols that can be taken and modified as needed by an applicant who's actually bothered to understand what the test is all about), but if someone is bound & determined not to take the test, they'll blame the test no matter what you do.
 
DRBUZZ0 said:
Perhaps that was a poor choice of wording. I am aware that the challenge has fair and well defined criteria, but the protocol is ultimately something which depends on the claim. There are those who make the argument "Well, I just know if I go to them and try to take the challenge they'll just make the test impossible or have a loophole or something..."

No, *I* am not saying and *I* think that argument is stupid and has been delt with numerous times. However, as a means of neutralizing it from the get-go, I would think some pre-approved tests would be helpful. It removes some confusion and simplifies the message. (Note: *I* am not confused)

For someone like sylvia browne, if there are some texts laid out in black and white which are obviously fair and reasonable, and pertain to some of the more commonly claimed powers, then it might h, most of whom are not acquainted with the procedure.
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I disagree that pre-approved tests would be helpful.

An important part of the JREF Challenge is to have the applicant simply state the claim in clear english. Often enough, even this step proves too high a hurdle for the person claiming the ability or power.

To many of those who state their claims understandably, the question "How do you propose to prove it?" is too much to handle.

Herein lies one of the clues to the JREF Challenge; for would-be applicants as well as spectators: If a simple description of a claim and test proposal proves to be such a huge problem, does this indicate that the applicant has thought his claim through?

The claims posted in the "Challenge Applications" sub-forum, as well as the many claims posted in this very sub-forum do indicate, that even a reward of USD 1,000,000 (which means for a humble person: "I'm set. For life.") does not seem to be enough incentive for many folks to think straight enough to formulate four to five coherent and logical sentences.



As baffling and depressing that might seem to the rational-minded, it does serve as a helpful promotion to paranormal, occult and supernatural powers, doesn't it?

Please press your sarcasm-button. Thanks.
 
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