Are "genetic" traits always inheritable?

Meadmaker

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If a trait is genetic in nature, is it possible that it cannot be passed to future generations.

To put it another way, if you discover that incidence of a particular condition is no more common among children of people who have that condition than among children drawn from the general population, can you conclude that the condition is not genetic?
 
Look into recessive genes. If 2 parents each carry a recessive gene, odds of a child getting 2 bad genes, one from each parent, ( and thereby the disease)are only 25%. So, if your dad had a recessive disease, and you mom had one copy of the gene, the chance of you getting it are 50%. So, the father here might not pass it on to the son. Dominant diseases are different, only one bad gene from either parent would make the child 'diseased', so inheritance would be definite.
 
Depends exactly what you mean by "genetic". There are plently of things which affect DNA on some level that leave people sterile, which effectively makes them uninheiritable. For example, Tay-Sachs will almost certainly kill you before age 5 or so, which obviously is a barrier to reproducing. It's recessive though, so part of it is being passed on.

Some things arn't though. Trisomy 21, or Down's syndrome, increases with the age of the mother IIRC, are usually leaves people sterile so it's not really inheiritable. There are other factors that complicate things, but I think this is true for 90% of cases, or something in that range.

As far as I know, I don't think a gene could somehow not be inheiritable, yet cause a condition.
 
Thanks. I realized that sometimes we call anything anything to do with DNA "genetic", although the original term was about a unit of heritability, before DNA was known. But even if a mutation occurred, if that mutation was present in the sperm or egg, it would be inheritable, right? Unless something about the mutation rendered the sperm or egg incapble of fertilization, or normal development.

Caselbro,
I know that recessive genes play a role and lots of things like that. Also, there are very few cases where it's a simple, one gene, one trait correlation. Some diseases are like that, but that's not the usual case.

For example, I don't think there is one "tall" gene, but tall parents are more likely to have tall children. Some tall parents have short children. Some short parents have tall children, but from a probability standpoint, if your ancestors are tall, you are more likely to be tall.

If we measured the height of people, and found that there was absolutely no correlation between the height of the parents and the height of the child, we could conclude that height was not influenced by genetics, correct?

There is one exception I know of. If the carrier cannot express the gene, then there won't be a correlation between parent and child, but there will be a correlation between close relatives and children. The best example I know of is male pattern baldness. It's passed on the X chromosome, which you get from your mom. So, if your dad is bald, you are not likely to be bald. Meanwhile, your mom is not bald. So, there is no correlation between parental baldness and child baldness.

However, there is a correlation between baldness among relatives and child baldness. A common misconception is that you can look to your grandfather, your mom's father, to get a clue about baldness, but that isn't true. That isn't true because your grandfather could not pass his baldness gene to your mom. You have to look to your maternal uncle. If he was bald, then he got the gene from your grandmother. She might have also passed it to your mom, who might also have passed it to you. So it isn't a case that if your uncle was bald you will be bald, or if your uncle was not bald you will not be bald, but if your uncle was bald, then the probabilty you will be bald is higher than if your uncle did not go bald. Other male relatives on your mother's side might give weaker correlations.

So, more correctly, if there is no statistical correlation between family members with a particular condition, and children with a particular condition, then we can conclude that the condition is not caused by genetics. Conversely, if there is a correlation, then it either must be inherited genetically, unless there is a common environmental factor that the family members share. (i.e. if a family living on the uranium mine tends to have extra limbs, it doesn't necessarily mean that extra limbs are genetically inherited.)
 
There is one exception I know of. If the carrier cannot express the gene, then there won't be a correlation between parent and child, but there will be a correlation between close relatives and children. The best example I know of is male pattern baldness. It's passed on the X chromosome, which you get from your mom. So, if your dad is bald, you are not likely to be bald. Meanwhile, your mom is not bald. So, there is no correlation between parental baldness and child baldness.

However, there is a correlation between baldness among relatives and child baldness. A common misconception is that you can look to your grandfather, your mom's father, to get a clue about baldness, but that isn't true. That isn't true because your grandfather could not pass his baldness gene to your mom. You have to look to your maternal uncle. If he was bald, then he got the gene from your grandmother. She might have also passed it to your mom, who might also have passed it to you. So it isn't a case that if your uncle was bald you will be bald, or if your uncle was not bald you will not be bald, but if your uncle was bald, then the probabilty you will be bald is higher than if your uncle did not go bald. Other male relatives on your mother's side might give weaker correlations.

Close, but not quite. Since a man (such as your grandfather) has only one X chromosome, his daughter (your mother) inherits it and all the genes on it. She also inherits one of her mother's X genes. Any of her eggs (and any sons developed from that egg) have a 50% chance of having her father's X and 50% of having her mother's X. So 50% of the time the grandfather rule is true. The other 50% of the time the maternal uncle rule is true provided you are looking at those of your mother's brothers who inherited the same maternal X as your mother -- statistically, half of them.

Also, there are some (relatively rare) medical and/or genetic conditions which result in a woman exhibiting pattern baldness. In these cases the normal dominant/recessive rules apply.

And of course, if your mothers X chromosomes mutate or exchange genes -- both extremely rare events percentage-wise, but in a large enough population, numerically significant -- all bets are off.


For example, I don't think there is one "tall" gene, but tall parents are more likely to have tall children. Some tall parents have short children. Some short parents have tall children, but from a probability standpoint, if your ancestors are tall, you are more likely to be tall.

If we measured the height of people, and found that there was absolutely no correlation between the height of the parents and the height of the child, we could conclude that height was not influenced by genetics, correct?

Mendel was very lucky. The seven traits he studied on the pea plants were each governed by only one gene, and each gene was on a separate chromosome. Most traits are governed by several genes that may or may not be on the same chromosome.

To use a much simplified analysis of your example of "tall," some people have longer limbs, others may be longer in the lumbar, thorasic or cervical areas of the spine, and still others may have elongated skulls -- at least five different genes, possibly many, many more. Until all are mapped out the best way to study their cumulative effect is statisically. And even then there are medical and bio-chemical factors that affect bone growth that need to be controlled for.
 
The mitocondria have their own separate genes. These can only be inherited from your mother. So if your father had a genetic mutation in his mitocondrial genes, it would be a genetic trait but would not be heritable.
 

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