Arafat and Jesus

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From the "Jerusalem Post":

Thousands of Palestinians converged Saturday on the Ramallah compound of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat to express their support for him following new threats against his life by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

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Jibril Rajoub, Arafat's national security advisor, warned that "the blood of Arafat will chase the Jews forever, the same as Christ's blood."

Well, so much for the "they're just anti-zionists, not antisemitic" claim.
 
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Ben Shniper said:
I say: Let Arafat die for our sins.

-Ben
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Yes killing people is a great way to perswade the palistians to try something other than killing isn't it.
 
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A. If killing people DIDN'T work, why does it work on us?

B. If killing people who are killing you is wrong, then self-defense is also wrong.

C. The Palestinians have to understand the consequences of their actions, like everyone else. Who gave them the right to indiscriminately murder women and children?

No murderous terrorist should be immune from death while committing or planning terrorism, whether they hide in Gaza, Khandahar, or Fallujah. No matter how many nobel prizes they might have.

-Ben

geni said:


Yes killing people is a great way to perswade the palistians to try something other than killing isn't it.
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Ben Shniper said:
A. If killing people DIDN'T work, why does it work on us?
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I wasn't aware that it did
B. If killing people who are killing you is wrong, then self-defense is also wrong.
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You can of course show that Arafat has personly kill someone recently and is about to do so again? Otherwise you anaology fails.
C. The Palestinians have to understand the consequences of their actions, like everyone else. Who gave them the right to indiscriminately murder women and children?
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Everyday life in gazza seem to be a pretty obvious consiquense. As for who gave them the right who gave anyone the right? yet strangle enough almost every group that feels opressed does the same thing.

No murderous terrorist should be immune from death while committing or planning terrorism, whether they hide in Gaza, Khandahar, or Fallujah. No matter how many nobel prizes they might have.
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I would really rather not bomb part of my own country and bits of the US thank you very much. The good friday agrement may not be doing very well but I prefeure it to many of the alturnatives.
 
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Yes killing people is a great way to perswade the palistians to try something other than killing isn't it.

You're missing the point. The point is not that the Palestinians are objecting to the idea of killing Arafat, but that the objection takes the form of blaming the jews' for Jesus death, using Jesus' death as a justification of the persecution of jews throughout history, and then using those "historical facts" as an analogy to the current situation.

To say "jews, don't kill Arafat, his death will hound you just like you killing of Jesus hounds you" is the equivalent of saying "jew, don't eat that extra slice of cake, it will make you fat just like those matzos with gentile blood in them". The objection to killing Arafat, or to overeating, is not really the important point; what is important is the WAY the person objects to it, and what is shows he believes about the jews.

Isn't blaming the jews for Jesus' death and using that to justify their persecution classical antisemitism? Doesn't this give the lie to the claim that Rajoub is "not an antisemite, just an antizionist", like the Palestinians keep claiming they are?
 
I thought that Jesus was just another phrophet in Islam? Why should the palistians care about him?
 
geni said:
I thought that Jesus was just another phrophet in Islam? Why should the palistians care about him?
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Good question. Care to take a guess at the answer?
 
Mycroft said:


Good question. Care to take a guess at the answer?
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On the basis that the only group who I can think of that share this view (some of the more extream christians) are not excatly going to be friendly to the palistian cause I would guess it is because certian elements of the palistians have suffered from the problem of total lack of thinking. again
 
Skeptic, I have a question for you. Why is Sharon AGAIN threatening to kill Arafat? It only seems to strength Arafat when he does that.

Gem
 
Gem said:
Skeptic, I have a question for you. Why is Sharon AGAIN threatening to kill Arafat? It only seems to strength Arafat when he does that.

Gem
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It probably strengthens Sharon's postion with certian section of his support base though.
 
I thought that Jesus was just another phrophet in Islam? Why should the palistians care about him?

It's quite clear why Rajoub cares about him: because he can blame his death on the jews.
 
Originally posted by geni
On the basis that the only group who I can think of that share this view (some of the more extream christians) are not excatly going to be friendly to the palistian cause I would guess it is because certian elements of the palistians have suffered from the problem of total lack of thinking. again
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Among Christians there are extremists and then there are extremists. Many do support Israel based upon theology, but there are also still those that vilify Jews based on this very charge of deicide and their subsequent non-assimilation to Christianity.

Granted, the major well-established branches of Christianity tend to reject this charge of deicide, but there are still many smaller churches and individuals that embrace it. There are also plenty of Christians who have never given the issue much thought.

So what is Arafat trying to do when he brings this up?
 
Mycroft said:
So what is Arafat trying to do when he brings this up?
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Arafat didn't bring it up. He's not that stupid.
 
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Arafat didn't bring it up. He's not that stupid.
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Quite right. It was Jibril Rajoub.

So what is Jibril Rajoub trying to do when he brings it up?
 
Mycroft said:


Quite right. It was Jibril Rajoub.

So what is Jibril Rajoub trying to do when he brings it up?
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Telling the crowd what they wan't to hear. Just like most polictian in fact. the difference here is that this was a really bad thing to say from just about everyone's point of view.
 
So what is Jibril Rajoub trying to do when he brings it up?

Telling the crowd what they wan't to hear.

OK, OK, so it isn't Arafat, it isn't Rajoub, it's the crowd.

So, why would the crowd want to hear that "Jesus' blood pursues the jews forever"?

What does that tell you they believe about jews?
 
Skeptic said:


So, why would the crowd want to hear that "Jesus' blood pursues the jews forever"?

What does that tell you they believe about jews?
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Because there are certain sectentions that want to hear anything bad about the relgion of the people who drove them out of their land and then made sure their lives didn't get any better for 50 years.

There are also certian sections of Israel that want to remove the palistians perminatly for blowing up childen and rather a lot of other people while refusing to negotiate and never changing their stratergy of wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
 
So, why would the crowd want to hear that "Jesus' blood pursues the jews forever"?

Because there are certain sectentions that want to hear anything bad about the relgion of the people who drove them out of their land and then made sure their lives didn't get any better for 50 years.

Oh, I see now!

It's amazing, how quickly and elegantly you discovered the REAL REASON(tm) for Rajoub's antisemitic libel about the jews being damned for killing Jesus.

Here I am, stupidly thinking it might have been Rajoub's fault, because he is the one who said it... or that it might have been the crowd's fault, because they are the ones believing it... but in reality, it was the jews' fault all along!

How could I have been so blind?
 
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