Apparently OBL never committed any terrorism

[tacodaemon]

In an LCF thread where the truthers gripe about how they've become the laughingstock of their social circles for their CT beliefs, a skeptic asks whether they absolve OBL of guilt for his other attacks too, and truther 8bitagent replies:

GEE, WHO WAS BEHIND the African embassy bombings?

Oh thats right, CIA/FBI double agent Ali Mohammed, who is under witness protection.

And dont tell me "al Qaeda" was behind WTC 1993...that was an FBI sting operation "gone awry" and you know it.

I hadn't heard the "FBI sting operation" angle before, but apparently it stems from some reports from 1993 in which a man named Emad Salem claimed he'd tipped off the FBI in 1992 to the bombing plot and they tried to arrange a sting in which they'd supply a phony bomb and use it to lure in and capture the would-be terrorists. (Of course, even if this story were true, 8bitagent doesn't explain who he thinks the FBI were trying to capture with this sting operation if not the very terrorists who committed the bombing.)

 

[Anti-sophist]

Semi off-topic, but the opening post of that thread you linked is so telling....

I get so sick of people thinking we are crazy and that we are nuts.. I want to punch people in the face sometimes.. Does anyone else ever feel this way? I get so ANGRY about it when people question me.. why ask what I do.. I'm a truther and nothing will stop it..

 

[tacodaemon]

By the way, 8bitagent's post after that one is also a masterpiece of paranoia: apparently the Pakistanis and Saudis are working with the European elites to mastermind this entire thing, luring in Islamic extremists to help them, and the American conservatives are also patsies. The next chapter of the grand conspiracy will involve the Democrats being portrayed as "saviors" to swoop in and save us all from the conservatives, but this will also be part of the elite's epic plan.

 

[tacodaemon]

Semi off-topic, but the opening post of that thread you linked is so telling....

Somebody responded with "now you know how Galileo felt"... I dunno, maybe Galileo did spend all his time seething and wishing he could punch people in the face, but I'm not so sure about that.

 

[Anti-sophist]

Somebody responded with "now you know how Galileo felt"... I dunno, maybe Galileo did spend all his time seething and wishing he could punch people in the face, but I'm not so sure about that.

Yea the comparison with Galileo is highly typical of the narcissistic personality disorder traits exhibited by many cranks and kooks. They believe they are of unique historical importance and like to fantasize about being vindicated.

 

[Athyrio]

I hadn't heard the "FBI sting operation" angle before, but apparently it stems from some reports from 1993 in which a man named Emad Salem claimed he'd tipped off the FBI in 1992 to the bombing plot and they tried to arrange a sting in which they'd supply a phony bomb and use it to lure in and capture the would-be terrorists.

i'm fairly new here but i am sure this topic of WTC bombing in 1993 has been debunked somewhere on JREF but i can't find a good thread with details. Does anyone know where i can find more info on this, even on an external site? Thanks.

 

[tacodaemon]

Yea the comparison with Galileo is highly typical of the narcissistic personality disorder traits exhibited by many cranks and kooks. They believe they are of unique historical importance and like to fantasize about being vindicated.

Meanwhile, another thread goes in the other direction by arguing that we debunkers are incapable of thinking rationally because our "comfort zone" depends on LIHOP/MIHOP being false.

 

[332nd]

Meanwhile, another thread goes in the other direction by arguing that we debunkers are incapable of thinking rationally because our "comfort zone" depends on LIHOP/MIHOP being false.

It never ceases to amaze me that so many trythers insist that all reports that point to a "muslim" terrorists attack say that the Towers and WTC 7 "fell due to fire" as if it were nothing more.

 

[negativ]

Every time I read LCF posts, I feel like Joe from the movie, Idiocracy. An ordinary, average guy of ordinary, average intelligence who suddenly finds himself surrounded by a world full of unfathomable levels of stupidity.

 

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

OK, that's it. I really have to stop reading the LCF; it's getting too damn depressing.

The LC hardcores that are still hanging around on the forums are completely and hopelessly delusional. These are people who are going to end up going Postal on some innocent people, and feel completely justified in doing it.

Someone in that thread mentioned moving to a deserted island with like-minded people... That makes more sense than most of the ideas they haev come up with. If you honestly thought that your government murdered 3,000 people to start a war for some oil, and that it was all a New World Order conspiracy to enslave the human race, how could you live in the US and hold down a job? How compartmentalized are these peoples' brains??

 

[Horatius]

Questy one-ups 8bit:

Islamic jihadis? Give me a break. There is no such thing. Why do you push this stuff, 8bit?

 

[The Demon's Head]

Apparently, troofers hate Bush more than they hate the terrorists. Of course, according to the troofers beliefs, such terrorists as UBL and terrorists organizations such as al - Qaeda don't exist.

 

[tacodaemon]

Someone in that thread mentioned moving to a deserted island with like-minded people...

That was the same guy who says that his truther lifestyle is ruining his marriage. That is one of the things that really bothers me about CTs, how it can mess up people's important relationships; I feel sorry for his wife and I feel at least somewhat sorry for him too.

 

[uk_dave]

If you honestly thought that your government murdered 3,000 people to start a war for some oil, and that it was all a New World Order conspiracy to enslave the human race, how could you live in the US and hold down a job? How compartmentalized are these peoples' brains??

That's my favourite question.

And the conclusion I have come to is that, as with other forms of woo such as ghosts, ufos, psychics and telekenesis (oh and religion), the believer doesn't want to take any action to either prove or disprove their belief....that's too dangerous, they just want to believe.

Therefore, actually putting your own personal safety on the line over something such as the 9/11 conspiracy fantasy is only likely to prove to you that no such conspiracy existed in the first place.

Or the frightening revelation that you didn't really believe in it in the first place, it was just a tool to help you make friends. Either that or they're all just too bloody lazy to do anything other than post on internet message boards.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Yea the comparison with Galileo is highly typical of the narcissistic personality disorder traits exhibited by many cranks and kooks.

It also earns them 40 points.

 

[pomeroo]

The Osama Conundrum Revisited

=The Demon's Head;2422169]Apparently, troofers hate Bush more than they hate the terrorists. Of course, according to the troofers beliefs, such terrorists as UBL and terrorists organizations such as al - Qaeda don't exist.

And that is the reason I keep confronting conspiracy liars with the Osama Conundrum. It causes their brains to explode. You see, Osama is either real or he is not. If he is, and all his boasting reflects genuine pride in al Qaeda's great triumph, then the 911 fantasy movement is dead. End of story. If he doesn't exist, if the guy who looks exactly like him on those videos is really an actor paid by the CIA (please don't ask where they got the identical doubles for all of his cohorts), then the Bushies would have announced before the last election that they had killed him.

For the liars, there is absolutely no escape. It is impossible--repeat, impossible-- to maintain the fiction that Bush, facing a humiliating defeat, would have passively acquiesced in losing much of his power when the miracle hat was right in front of him and he could have simply reached in and pulled out a rabbit. Clearly, this was the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy's last chance to play the Osama card.

Of course, there's always the option of going full-nutter and pretending that the IVC and the Bush administration are two different entities. The staggering insanity of that hypothesis is, of course, no obstacle for true loons, but their dream world does become somewhat overpopulated.

 

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

And that is the reason I keep confronting conspiracy liars with the Osama Conundrum. It causes their brains to explode. You see, Osama is either real or he is not. If he is, and all his boasting reflects genuine pride in al Qaeda's great triumph, then the 911 fantasy movement is dead. End of story. If he doesn't exist, if the guy who looks exactly like him on those videos is really an actor paid by the CIA (please don't ask where they got the identical doubles for all of his cohorts), then the Bushies would have announced before the last election that they had killed him.

For the liars, there is absolutely no escape. It is impossible--repeat, impossible-- to maintain the fiction that Bush, facing a humiliating defeat, would have passively acquiesced in losing much of his power when the miracle hat was right in front of him and he could have simply reached in and pulled out a rabbit. Clearly, this was the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy's last chance to play the Osama card.

Of course, there's always the option of going full-nutter and pretending that the IVC and the Bush administration are two different entities. The staggering insanity of that hypothesis is, of course, no obstacle for true loons, but their dream world does become somewhat overpopulated.

As far as I'm concerned, there's 3 'Elephants in the room' that the CT'ers absolutely will not answer, because it proves their entire CT to be absolutely, ridiculously false.

You mentioned the first.

The second is this: The US government orchestrated the most complex, mind-bogglingly difficult, and completely secret plot in wiring 3 WTC buildings with explosives. Involving thousands of people, not one of which has come forward. Yet when it came time to invade Iraq, they could not be bothered to plant one Weapon of Mass Destruction. Not one. And due to not finding any WMDs, the Bush administration lost public confidence in the war, and went down to single digit approval ratings.

The third is this: The US government created fake tapes of OBL's confession of planning and executing 9/11, complete with actors to look like OBL and all of his top aides. And yet the FBI does not list the attack of the WTC as evidence against bin Laden on the Most Wanted List, because they do not have solid proof. And the CTers use this as evidence to support the conspiracy.

The mind boggles.