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Anti-PentaCon Quotes

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I built this little "Screw PentaCon" collection myself. Basically, 911Research has a whole bunch of quotes from Pentagon eyewitnesses. I went through and picked out all the ones that I think directly contradict the PentaCon's story, and added an explanation as to why.

Use it the next time you're debating with the P's for T (a little rapper lingo).



Source for all quotes is 911research.wtc7.net

NAME: Steve Anderson

QUOTE: "I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: The premise of The Pentacon is contingent upon the plane flying over the building. If the plane's wing was dragging along the ground AS IT ALLEGEDLY HIT, there is no possible way it could have pulled up to perform the flyover without AT LEAST losing its wing (if not crashing completely), thus making it unable to fly.




NAME: Gary Bauer

QUOTE: "I was in a massive traffic jam, hadn't moved more than a hundred yards in twenty minutes. ... I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine. I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn't until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Two reasons. First, it directly contradicts the North side flight path: if the plane was "coming up behind" them on 395 as they were traveling towards the Pentagon, it couldn't have been on the Citgo's north side. Secondly, at the angle the onlookers would have seen the plane crash into the Pentagon, they would have EASILY seen it if it had somehow flown over.

Gary Bauer did not report seeing the plane fly over the Pentagon.




NAME: Mickey Bell

QUOTE: The jet came in from the south and banked left as it entered the building, narrowly missing the Singleton Electric trailer and the on-site foreman, Mickey Bell. Bell had just left the trailer when he heard a loud noise. The next thing he recalled was picking himself off the floor, where he had been thrown by the blast. Bell, who had been less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, was nearly struck by one of the plane's wings as it sped by him. In shock, he got into his truck, which had been parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. He wandered around Arlington in his truck and tried to make wireless phone calls. He ended up back at Singleton's headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much. The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn't realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell's work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had no idea what had happened. During Bell's close call, other Singleton workers, including sub-foreman Greg Cobaugh, were doing other work on the first and third floors. The blast wasn't very loud to them. They were talking about reports that two planes crashed into the World Trade Center in Manhattan, New York - not considering the noise they heard could be a similar attack.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Unless Lyte's going to suggest that the rivets embedded in his truck were "planted beforehand", I don't see why not. Although I don't think I'd put that past him.




NAME: Richard Benedetto

QUOTE: "It was an American Airlines airplane, I could see it very clearly.(...) I didn't see the impact. (...) The sound itself sounded more like a thud rather than a bomb (...) rather than a loud bomb explosion it sounded muffled, heavy, very deep. I didn't see any flaps, it looked like the plane was just in normal flying mode but heading straight down. It was straight. The only thing we saw on the ground outside there was a piece of a ... the tail of a lamp post."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Hey, if the conspiracy theorists can claim that eyewitnesses saying that they heard things that sounded like bombs proves that bombs were used in the WTC, why can't I claim that eyewitnesses saying they heard things that DIDN'T sound like bombs prove that there WASN'T a bomb, amirite?




NAME: Brian Birdwell

QUOTE: LTC Brian Birdwell. He was just heading back down the hall to his office when the building exploded in front of him. The flash fire was immediate and the smoke was thick. The blast had thrown him down, giving him a concussion. He wanted to head down the hall toward the A ring...but because he couldn't see anything he had no idea which way to go and he didn't want to head in the wrong direction. (...) Once they stabilized Brian, they transferred him to George Washington Hospital where...the best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: How did he get "jet fuel in his lungs" if there was no jet, hmmm?

Watch, now Lyte's going to claim that the jet fuel in his lungs was "planted beforehand".




NAME: Donald R. Bouchoux

QUOTE: Donald R. Bouchoux, 53, a retired Naval officer, a Great Falls resident, a Vietnam veteran and former commanding officer of a Navy fighter squadron, was driving west from Tysons Corner to the Pentagon for a 10am meeting. He wrote: "At 9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards [should be more than 150 yards from the impact] in front of me and impacted the side of the building. There was an enormous fireball, followed about two seconds later by debris raining down. The car moved about a foot to the right when the shock wave hit. I had what must have been an emergency oxygen bottle from the airplane go flying down across the front of my Explorer and then a second piece of jagged metal come down on the right side of the car."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: He was in the PERFECT position to see if the plane had performed Lyte's flyover maneuver. He did not report seeing a flyover.




NAME: Mark Bright

QUOTE: Defense Protective Service officers were the first on the scene of the terrorist attack. One, Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building. He had been manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance to the building. "I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon. He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. "As soon as it struck the building I just called in an attack, because I knew it couldn't be accidental," Bright said. He jumped into his police cruiser and headed to the area.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Two reasons: first, he confirms that the plane knocked down street lights--the same street lights Lyte claims were planted the night before, and which were ON THE SOUTH SIDE FLIGHT PATH. Secondly, the fact that the plane "powered up" indicates an increase in speed, which would have been incompatible with an attempt to change elevation in time to perform a flyover. It's a simple fact: the faster you're going, the more distance it's going to take to gain altitude.




NAME: Lisa Burgess

QUOTE: Stars and Stripes reporter Lisa Burgess was walking on the Pentagon's innermost corridor, across the courtyard, when the incident happened. "I heard two loud booms - one large, one smaller, and the shock wave threw me against the wall," she said.Burgess, reporting by telephone from the scene at about 4 p.m., said that five hours after the blast, still no one was able to get into the building. After the first casualties were removed, no one was brought out of the building, either dead or alive.

WHY SHE PWNS THE PENTACON: She was IN THE BLOODY COURTYARD--don't you think she'd have noticed if the plane had flown over as Lyte claims?




NAME: Wayne T. Day

QUOTE: For one employee with Wedge One's mechanical subcontractor John J. Kirlin Inc., Rockville MD, "lucky" is an understatement. "We had one guy who was standing, looking out the window and saw the plane when it was coming in. He was in front of one of the blast-resistant windows," says Kirlin President Wayne T. Day, who believes the window structure saved the man's life. According to Matt Hahr, Kirlin's senior project manager at the Pentagon, the employee "was thrown about 80 ft down the hall through the air. As he was traveling through the air, he says the ceiling was coming down from the concussion. He got thrown into a closet, the door slammed shut and the fireball went past him," recounts Hahr. "Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned. Then the fireball blew over and the sprinklers came on, and he was able to crawl out of the closet and get out of the building through the courtyard."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: There's that jet fuel again. I'd like to see Merc and Lyte explain how all this jet fuel could be "planted".




NAME: Defina

QUOTE: "The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.]

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Pieces of the nose gear. Inside the Pentagon.

"Plant" THAT, Lyte.




NAME: Michael DiPaula

QUOTE: Michael DiPaula 41, project coordinator Pentagon Renovation Team - He left a meeting in the Pentagon just minutes before the crash, looking for an electrician who didn't show, in a construction trailer less than 75 feet away. "Suddenly, an airplane roared into view, nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring. 'It sounded like a missile,' DiPaula recalls . . . Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing, but eventually crawled from the flaming debris and the shroud of black smoke unscathed.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Oops! There's that airplane fuel again! Must've been "planted beforehand", eh, Lyte?




NAME: Penny Elgas

QUOTE: "Traffic was at a standstill. I heard a rumble, looked out my driver's side window and realized that I was looking at the nose of an airplane coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there- very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station that I never knew was there. My first thought was "Oh My God, this must be World War III!" In that split second, my brain flooded with adrenaline and I watched everything play out in ultra slow motion, I saw the plane coming in slow motion toward my car and then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport. In the nano-second that the plane was directly over the cars in front of my car, the plane seemed to be not more than 80 feet off the ground and about 4-5 car lengths in front of me. It was far enough in front of me that I saw the end of the wing closest to me and the underside of the other wing as that other wing rocked slightly toward the ground. I remember recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the windows and the color stripes. And I remember thinking that it was just like planes in which I had flown many times but at that point it never occurred to me that this might be a plane with passengers. In my adrenaline-filled state of mind, I was overcome by my visual senses. The day had started out beautiful and sunny and I had driven to work with my car's sunroof open. I believe that I may have also had one or more car windows open because the traffic wasn't moving anyway. At the second that I saw the plane, my visual senses took over completely and I did not hear or feel anything -- not the roar of the plane, or wind force, or impact sounds. The plane seemed to be floating as if it were a paper glider and I watched in horror as it gently rocked and slowly glided straight into the Pentagon. At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building. It was here that I closed my eyes for a moment and when I looked back, the entire area was awash in thick black smoke."

WHY SHE PWNS THE PENTACON: Unfortunately, she does not specify WHICH side of the Citgo she saw the plane fly on. Would've been helpful. However, from this account, we can tell that she had a clear view of the plane hitting the Pentagon. What's more, she says she saw "the fuselage hit the wall" and "the wings dissapear[ed] into the Pentagon".

It is a physical impossibility for the fuselage to hit the wall and the wings to disappear into the wall AND for the plane to fly over at the same time.




NAME: Walker Lee Evey

QUOTE: The plane approached the Pentagon about six feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building, said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon's ongoing billion-dollar renovation. The plane penetrated three of the Pentagon's five rings, but was probably stopped from going farther by hundreds of concrete columns. The plane peeled back as it entered, leaving pieces of the front of the plane near the outside of the building and pieces from the rear of the aircraft farther inside, Evey said. The floors just above the impact remained intact for about 35 minutes after the crash, allowing many people in those offices to escape, Evey said.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Light pole. Car antenna. Contstruction trailer. Emergency generator. And, once again, plane parts INSIDE the Pentagon.




NAME: Ken Ford

QUOTE: Ken Ford : One eyewitness, State Department employee Ken Ford, said he watched from the 15th floor of the State Department Annex, just across the PotomacRiver from the Pentagon. We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said, referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away. The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon. We thought it had been waved off and then it hit the building.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: He was viewing the OTHER side of the Pentagon from the alleged plane crash. If there was a flyover, he'd have seen it.




NAME: Kat Gaines

QUOTE: Kat Gaines, heading south on Route 110, approached the parking lots, saw a low-flying jetliner strike the top of nearby telephone poles.

WHY SHE PWNS THE PENTACON: Another eyewitness saying she saw the plane hit the poles that Lyte claims were planted. Poles which, by the way, were on the South side flight path.




NAME: Afework Hagos

QUOTE: Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Lampposts. The ones that were on the SOUTH SIDE FLIGHT PATH. Clipped. He saw it.




NAME: Joe Harrington

QUOTE: Harrington was working on the installation of new furniture in Wedge One, when he was called out to the parking lot to talk about security with his customer moments before the crash. "About two minutes later one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd.," Harrington said. "It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge. It was like a Hollywood movie or something."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Directly contradicts the North side flight path. There is NO WAY for it to have been flying over Washington Blvd--for long enough for somebody to point it out--have flown on the North side of the Citgo, and then hit the Pentagon. That just doesn't happen. Washington Blvd is on the SOUTH side flight path.





NAME: Albert Hemphill

QUOTE: From the view of the Navy Annex : "After a few moments, Lt Gen Ron Kadish, Director of the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization entered the Secure Conference Room to pursue the day's activities and do real work. This office, with two nice windows and a great view of the monuments, the Capitol and the Pentagon was "good digs" by any Pentagon standard. I walked in the office and stood peering out of the window looking at the Pentagon. As I stood there, I instinctively ducked at the extremely loud roar and whine of a jet engine spooling up. Immediately, the large silver cylinder of an aircraft appeared in my window, coming over my right shoulder as I faced the Westside of the Pentagon directly towards the heliport. The aircraft, looking to be either a 757 or Airbus, seemed to come directly over the annex, as if it had been following Columbia Pike - an Arlington road leading to Pentagon. The aircraft was moving fast, at what I could only be estimate as between 250 to 300 knots. All in all, I probably only had the aircraft in my field of view for approximately 3 seconds. The aircraft was at a sharp downward angle of attack, on a direct course for the Pentagon. It was "clean", in as much as, there were no flaps applied and no apparent landing gear deployed. He was slightly left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route 110 he appeared to level his wings, making a slight right wing slow adjustment as he impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo, tower and fire vehicle around corridor 5. What instantly followed was a large yellow fireball accompanied by an extremely bass sounding, deep thunderous boom. The yellow fireball rose quickly as black smoke engulfed the entire Westside of the Pentagon, obscuring the whole of the heliport. I could feel the concussion and felt the shockwave of the blast impact the window of the Annex, knocking me against the desk.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Three for the price of one! First, he says the plane came over his "right shoulder. If he's viewing from the Navy Annex, this would put the plane more to the SOUTH of the Navy Annex than to the North. It would have been extremely difficult if not impossible for the plane to manuever around the OPPOSITE side of the Citgo AND THEN fly towards the Pentagon. Secondly, he mentions that the plane "level[ed] its wings" before impact, thus, it was NOT pulling up, thus COULD NOT have flown over. Thirdly, he clearly states that he saw the plane impact BEFORE he saw the fireball. Thus, Lyte CANNOT make the argument that the fireball somehow obscured his vision.




NAME: Jerry Henson

QUOTE: Inside the hell that was once his office, Jerry Henson freed his hands enough to move rubble off of his shoulders. He dislodged his head. But he couldn't move the heavy desktop from his lap. It had been 15, maybe 20 minutes since everything turned dark and painful. Still no answer from Capt. Punches. Now fires were burning closer as deposits of jet fuel ignited. "You could hear them lighting off," Henson said. "They would go 'poof,' kind of like when you light a furnace. You could hear these getting closer." The two other men in the office couldn't get to Henson, but they found a hole in the wall to crawl through. And they found help. Minutes passed slowly as Henson remained trapped in the dark and more conscious of every breath. He heard rubble crumbling and splashes like footsteps in puddles. Then he saw a slice of light. "I'm a doctor, I'm here to help you," said a voice. Navy Lt. Cmdr. David Tarantino, the doctor, and Capt. David M. Thomas Jr. had dodged slithering electrical wires and dripping solder to reach Henson. Tarantino, realizing Henson was pinned, got on his back and lifted the table top with his feet enough for Henson to slide out. Thomas and Tarantino pulled him back out through the maze. With a blur of light and a rush of fresh air, Henson knew he was safe. Jerry Henson, now 65, spent four days at nearby Arlington Hospital Center. Doctors sewed up the gash in the back of his head and on his chin. His neck was sprained, his back was sore, and he still needed treatment for smoke inhalation. "I was eager to get out," he said. "I thought the sooner I was able to get walking and breathing, the better I'd avoid pneumonia and things like that."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Why, look...that pesky JET FUEL is back again!





NAME: Will Jarvis

QUOTE: From time spent on military aircraft as part of his job at the Pentagon, Will Jarvis (who graduated with a bachelor of applied science in 1987 while attending New College) knows what aviation fuel smells like. That smell was his only clue that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon, where he works as an operations research analyst for the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Jarvis, who was around the corner from the disaster, tried but failed to see the plane when he left the building. "There was just nothing left. It was incinerated. We couldn't see a tail or a wing or anything," he says. "Just a big black hole in the building with smoke pouring out of it." For someone sitting only 300 metres away from the carnage of American Airlines Flight 77, Jarvis and his officemates were surprisingly well insulated from it. "We thought the plane was a dump truck backing into the building, because there was a lot of construction going on," he says. The group noticed that the sky was darker than normal, but still didn't think much of it. "Then I saw little bits of silver falling from the sky," says Jarvis.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Another two for one. Jet fuel AND bits of silver falling from the sky.

I guess the "bits of silver" were "planted beforehand" too, eh, Lyte?





NAME: Terrance Kean

QUOTE: Terrance Kean, 35, who lives in a 14-story building nearby, heard the loud jet engines and glanced out his window. "I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Specifically SAW the nose penetrate the wall. Can't really fly over after that, now can it?





NAME: Mark Steven Kirk

QUOTE: Rep. Mark Steven Kirk (R-Ill.), a Naval Reserve intelligence officer. ''Apparently, the fire killed everybody in there,'' said Kirk, shortly after he learned that two friends perished in the center. Kirk also went to the site. ''The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel. And then you can smell this sickly, rotten-meat smell,'' he said.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Yup, jet fuel.




NAME: Lincoln Liebner

QUOTE: After the second plane hit the World Trade Center, Major Lincoln Leibner jumped in his pickup truck and raced to the Pentagon. As he ran to an entrance, he heard jet engines and turned in time to see the American Airlines plane diving toward the building. "I was close enough that I could see through the windows of the airplane, and watch as it as it hit," he said. "There was no doubt in my mind what I was watching. Not for a second. It was accelerating," he said. "It was wheels up, flaps up, engines full throttle. "

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Close enough to SEE IT HIT, and again, he mentions that it was ACCELERATING. The faster you're going, the more distance it takes to pull up.




NAME: David Marra

QUOTE: David Marra, 23, an information-technology specialist, had turned his BMW off an I-395 exit to the highway just west of the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet swooping in, its wings wobbly, looking like it was going to slam right into the Pentagon: "It was 50 ft. off the deck when he came in. It sounded like the pilot had the throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there, then the plane cartwheeled into the building.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Another eyewitness saying the wing was dragging along the ground as it hit the Pentagon. That wing would have been lost if a flyover was attempted.




NAME: Stephen McGraw

QUOTE: Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. "The traffic was very slow moving, and at one point just about at a standstill," said McGraw, a Catholic priest at St. Anthony Parish in Falls Church. "I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars." McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. "The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. "I saw it crash into the building," he said. "My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression," he said. "There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows. "He literally had the stole in one hand and a prayer book in the other and in one fluid motion crossed the guardrail," said Mark Faram, a reporter from the Navy Times who witnessed McGraw in the first moments after the crash.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Oh, where to begin? First of all, he's in a GREAT position to witness any potential flyover. Secondly, his account easily confirms that the plane flew ALONG WASHINGTON BLVD, which would directly contradict the North side flight path. Finally, he saw the plane not only clip the light pole which was on the SOUTH side flight path, but also strike the taxi whose driver Lyte claims is lying!




NAME: Kirk Milburn

QUOTE: I was right underneath the plane, said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon. "I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles," said Milburn. "It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Yes, the "second explosion" comment might be suspicious to tinfoil hatters, but that's for another discussion. The purpose of THIS article is to discuss Lyte's flyover claim. Anyway, this guy claims he was "right underneath the plane"...on INTERSTATE 395! This DIRECTLY contradicts the Citgo North side flight path.




NAME: Vin Narayanan

QUOTE: "The plane exploded after it hit, the tail came off and it began burning immediately. Within five minutes, police and emergency vehicles began arriving," said Vin Narayanan, a reporter at USA TODAY.com, who was driving near the Pentagon when the plane hit.

"At 9:35 a.m., I pulled alongside the Pentagon. With traffic at a standstill, my eyes wandered around the road, looking for the cause of the traffic jam. Then I looked up to my left and saw an American Airlines jet flying right at me. The jet roared over my head, clearing my car by about 25 feet. The tail of the plane clipped the overhanging exit sign above me as it headed straight at the Pentagon. The windows were dark on American Airlines Flight 77 as it streaked toward its target, only 50 yards away. The hijacked jet slammed into the Pentagon at a ferocious speed. But the Pentagon's wall held up like a champ. It barely budged as the nose of the plane curled upwards and crumpled before exploding into a massive fireball. The people who built that wall should be proud. Its ability to withstand the initial impact of the jet probably saved thousands of lives. I hopped out of my car after the jet exploded, nearly oblivious to a second jet hovering in the skies. Hands shaking, I borrowed a cell phone to call my mom and tell her I was safe. Then I called into work, to let them know what happened. But not once was I able to take my eyes off the inferno in front of me. I think I saw the bodies of passengers burning. But I'm not sure. It could have been Pentagon workers. It could have been my mind playing tricks on me. I hope it was my mind playing tricks on me. The highway was filled with shocked commuters, walking around in a daze."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Saw the tail come off. I don't see how this could've been "planted beforehand" in any way. He also saw the plain clip the exit sign, indicating that it flew on the official flight path. Finally, he describes the impact in detail, making it nigh impossible that he could've been mistaken as to whether the plane hit.





NAME: Mary Ann Owens

QUOTE: Mary Ann Owens, a journalist with Gannett News Service - was driving along by the side of the Pentagon. Here, she recalls the events of that horrific day and her feelings about the tragedy 12 months on. "The sound of sudden and certain death roared in my ears as I sat lodged in gridlock on Washington Boulevard, next to the Pentagon on September 11. Up to that moment I had only experienced shock by the news coming from New York City and frustration with the worse-than-normal traffic snarl ... but it wasn't until I heard the demon screaming of that engine that I expected to die. Between the Pentagon's helicopter pad, which sits next to the road, and Reagan Washington National Airport a couple of miles south, aviation noise is common along my commute to the silver office towers in Rosslyn where Gannett Co Inc. were housed last autumn. But this engine noise was different. It was too sudden, too loud, too encompassing. Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass. Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon. Still gripping the wheel, I could feel both the car and my heart jolt at the moment of impact. An instant inferno blazed about 125 yards from me. The plane, the wall and the victims disappeared under coal-black smoke, three-storey tall flames and intense heat. As the thudding stopped, screams of horror and hysteria rose from the line of cars (...) The full impact of actually being alive overwhelmed me. A mere 125 yards had made me a witness instead of a casualty. Survival wasn't a miracle, it was luck ... pure luck."

WHY SHE PWNS THE PENTACON: TOO MUCH. The "downward angle" that was "too sharp"--making it nigh impossible for the plane to pull up to perform Lyte's flyover. The street lights on the official flight path falling over. The plane "barely clearing the interstate 395 overpass". Wing dragging along the ground. That's FOUR IN ****ING ONE.




NAME: Steve Patterson

QUOTE: Steve Patterson, who lives in Pentagon City, said it appeared to him that a commuter jet swooped over Arlington National Cemetery and headed for the Pentagon "at a frightening rate ... just slicing into that building." Steve Patterson, 43, said he was watching television reports of the World Trade Center being hit when he saw a silver commuter jet fly past the window of his 14th-floor apartment in Pentagon City. The plane was about 150 yards away, approaching from the west about 20 feet off the ground, Patterson said. He said the plane, which sounded like the high-pitched squeal of a fighter jet, flew over Arlington cemetary so low that he thought it was going to land on I-395. He said it was flying so fast that he couldn't read any writing on the side. The plane, which appeared to hold about eight to 12 people, headed straight for the Pentagon but was flying as if coming in for a landing on a nonexistent runway, Patterson said. "At first I thought 'Oh my God, there's a plane truly misrouted from National,'" Patterson said. "Then this thing just became part of the Pentagon ... I was watching the World Trade Center go and then this. It was like Oh my God, what's next?" He said the plane, which approached the Pentagon below treetop level, seemed to be flying normally for a plane coming in for a landing other than going very fast for being so low. Then, he said, he saw the Pentagon "envelope" the plane and bright orange flames shoot out the back of the building. "It looked like a normal landing, as if someone knew exactly what they were doing," said Patterson, a graphics artist who works at home. "This looked intentional.".

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: I-395. Directly contradicts the...*sigh*...this is getting old...and redundant.





NAME: Daniel C. Pfeilstucker Jr.

QUOTE: Daniel C. Pfeilstucker Jr., caught in the flying debris, didn't know if he was going to make it out alive. The Pentagon was on fire. "It was horrifying," Mr. Pfeilstucker says (...) Danny Pfeilstucker is a commissioning agent for John J. Kirlin Inc., a Maryland-based mechanical contracting company that worked on the Pentagon renovation project that was nearing completion September 11. (...) Kirlin Inc., among many companies involved in renovating the Pentagon since the early 1990s, was in charge of updating plumbing and heating units. Around 9:30 a.m., Mr. Pfeilstucker and a co-worker got orders to check a hot-water leak in a third-floor office on the western side. After doing so, he stepped off an elevator on the second floor in Corridor 4, ladder in hand. Suddenly the walls and the ceiling began to collapse around him. The lights went out. "It went from light to dark to orange to complete black," Mr. Pfeilstucker says. "It was so dark I couldn't even see my hand in front of my face."Within seconds, his left leg buckled. Unable to grab on to anything, he was thrust 70 feet down the corridor and into a tiny telephone closet halfway down the hallway connecting E Ring and A Ring. All I know is that the blast must have pushed open the steel door to the closet," says Mr. Pfeilstucker, who had been 40 feet away from the plane's point of impact.He remembers shutting the door and trying to stand up, not understanding what had just happened. "I thought it was some sort of a construction blast," Mr. Pfeilstucker says. "Or maybe there was a helicopter accident." His hard hat and work goggles were blown away. His ladder also had disappeared. (...) The fire sprinklers came on as the temperature shot up.Then he smelled jet fuel and smoke. The putrid odor was seeping into the closet."It was this odor that I can't describe, but one that I'll never forget, that's for sure," Mr. Pfeilstucker says. "It was so hard to breathe. I didn't think I was going to make it out."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Jet fuel. Again. Sigh.




NAME: Frank Probst

QUOTE: Frank Probst : a Pentagon renovation worker and retired Army officer, he was inspecting newly installed telecommunications wiring inside the five-story, 6.5-million-square-foot building. The tall, soft-spoken Probst had a 10 a.m. meeting. About 9:25 a.m., he stopped by the renovation workers' trailer just south of the Pentagon heliport. Someone had a television turned on in the trailer's break room that showed smoke pouring out of the twin towers in New York. "The Pentagon would make a pretty good target," someone in the break room commented. The thought stuck with Probst as he picked up his notebook and walked to the North Parking Lot to attend his meeting. Probst took a sidewalk alongside Route 27, which runs near the Pentagon's western face. Traffic was at a standstill because of a road accident. Then, at about 9:35 a.m., he saw the airliner in the cloudless September sky. American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon. He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze. "I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, 'Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'" He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away. The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart. He still can't remember the sound of the explosion. Sometimes the memory starts to come back when he hears a particularly low-flying airliner heading into nearby Reagan National Airport, or when military jets fly over a burial at Arlington National Cemetery. Most of the time, though, his memory is silent. "It was pretty horrible," he said of the noiseless images he carries inside him, of the jet vanishing in a cloud of smoke and dust, and bits of metal and concrete drifting down like confetti. On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away.

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Directly observed the engine hitting the wall and the wing clipping the generator.




NAME: Lon Rains

QUOTE: "In light traffic the drive up Interstate 395 from Springfield to downtown Washington takes no more than 20 minutes. But that morning, like many others, the traffic slowed to a crawl just in front of the Pentagon. With the Pentagon to the left of my van at about 10 o'clock on the dial of a clock, I glanced at my watch to see if I was going to be late for my appointment. At that moment I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound that began behind me and stopped suddenly in front of me and to my left. In fractions of a second I heard the impact and an explosion. The next thing I saw was the fireball. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane. Friends and colleagues have asked me if I felt a shock wave and I honestly do not know. I felt something, but I don't know if it was a shock wave or the fact that I jumped so hard I strained against the seat belt and shoulder harness and was thrown back into my seat."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: I-395. Again.




NAME: James S. Robbins

QUOTE: James S Robbins a national-security analyst & 'nationalreviewonline' contributor: "I was standing, looking out my large office window, which faces west and from six stories up has a commanding view of the Potomac and the Virginia heights." "The Pentagon is about a mile and half distant in the center of the tableau. I was looking directly at it when the aircraft struck. The sight of the 757 diving in at an unrecoverable angle is frozen in my memory, but at the time. " I did not immediately comprehend what I was witnessing. There was a silvery flash, an explosion, and a dark, mushroom shaped cloud rose over the building. I froze, gaping for a second until the sound of the detonation, a sharp pop at that distance, shook me out of it. "

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Hear that, LyteBrite? "Unrecoverable angle". In otherwords: flyover = impossible. Put that in your pipe and blow it.




NAME: Arthur Rosati

QUOTE: Arthur Rosati, another security officer and an army reservist, was in a meeting when the plane hit. "I ran down the hallway and there was smoke everywhere. You could smell the jet fuel, it was unbearable"

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: jet fuel





NAME: Rob Schickler

QUOTE: Rob Schickler, a Baylor University 2001 graduate and Arlington, Va. resident, said. "A plane flew over my house," (one mile away from the Pentagon). "It was loud, but not unusual because the [Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport] is by my house, on the other side of the Pentagon. Occasionally planes that miss the landing fly over my house." "A few seconds later, there was this sonic boom," he said. "The house shook, the windows were vibrating." "There was a hole in the building, and you could smell it in the air. It's a beautiful day, but you can smell the burning concrete and burning jet fuel."

WHY HE...ah, screw it, you know what? No more jet fuel stories. I think you get the point.




NAME: Noel Sepulveda

QUOTE: Noel Sepulveda, a Master Sgt. received the awards during a special ceremony at the Pentagon April 15. He left Bolling Air Force Base, D.C., for a meeting at the Pentagon, only to be told it was cancelled. Walking back to his motorcycle he saw a commercial airliner coming from the direction of Henderson Hall the Marine Corps headquarters.. It "flew above a nearby hotel and drop its landing gear. The plane's right wheel struck a light pole, causing it to fly at a 45-degree angle", he said. The plane tried to recover, but hit a second light pole and continued flying at an angle. "You could hear the engines being revved up even higher," The plane dipped its nose and crashed into the southwest side of the Pentagon. "The right engine hit high, the left engine hit low. For a brief moment, you could see the body of the plane sticking out from the side of the building. Then a ball of fire came from behind it." An explosion followed, sending Sepulveda flying against a light pole. "if the airliner had not hit the light poles, it would have slammed into the Pentagon's 9th and 10th corridor "A" ring, and the loss of life would have been greater."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Hit light poles. Nose angled down as it was flying in, thus could not have pulled up to perform flyover. Saw engines hit.




NAME: Jack Singleton

QUOTE: "Where the plane came in was really at the construction entrance," says Jack Singleton, president of Singleton Electric Co. Inc., Gaithersburg MD, the Wedge One electrical subcontractor. "The plane's left wing actually came in near the ground and the right wing was tilted up in the air. That right wing went directly over our trailer, so if that wing had not tilted up, it would have hit the trailer. My foreman, Mickey Bell, had just walked out of the trailer and was walking toward the construction entrance."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Tilted wings = couldn't have flown over without losing a wing.




NAME: Jim Sutherland

QUOTE: Jim Sutherland, a mortgage broker, was on his way to the Pentagon when he saw "... a white 737 twin-engine plane with multicolored trim fly 50 feet over I-395 in a straight line, striking the side of the Pentagon.. "

WHY HE...I-395




NAME: Donald Timmerman

QUOTE: Donald "Tim" Timmerman, watched from across Interstate 395: "I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as it went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building. And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible."

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Describes the crash in detail. So there's no way he was mistaken as to whether the plane hit..



And last but not least...


NAME: Lyte "Acid" Trip

WHY HE PWNS THE PENTACON: Claims that an explosion capable of destroying the reinforced concrete of the Pentagon occurred at the SAME TIME that an airliner flew VERY LOW overhead. In order to not be destroyed, the plane would've had to be armored like an A-10 Thunderbolt. None of the eyewitnesses here describe seeing and A-10. Sorry, Lyte. You lose.
 
Using the term 'PWNS' is so immature, you should use a much more rational term like fist <rule8>s.

:)
 
Other than the "Pwns", pretty good stuff :)

You should also consider laying it out in a table ;)
 
Using the term 'PWNS' is so immature, you should use a much more rational term like fist <rule8>s.


Indeed. Whenever I see the term “owns” (or any variant thereof), it causes me to picture a thirteen-year-old boy who’s only recently grown out of his WWE fandom. Personally, I find it essential to recognise a firm distinction between reasoned discussion and “word-up wiggy posturing”.

Sorry if that sounded dismissive, 1337m4n, it’s merely subjective and one of my own idiosyncrasies and therefore my own cross to bear. Nice work.
 
Neat. I make that fifteen witnesses who directly observed the plane hit, five who observed the plane carrying out actions that would have made a flyover impossible or who would have been expected to see a flyover but didn't, fifteen who observed a flight path south of the Citgo station, four who can directly corroborate the provenance of the physical evidence and nine who can testify to the presence of jet fuel.

Oh, and there's Lyte's own (rule8)ing witnesses who saw the plane hit too.

And it's all from a respectable truther source!

Dave
 
Indeed. Whenever I see the term “owns” (or any variant thereof), it causes me to picture a thirteen-year-old boy who’s only recently grown out of his WWE fandom. Personally, I find it essential to recognise a firm distinction between reasoned discussion and “word-up wiggy posturing”.

Ah, but don't you see? That's the beauty of it. It'll annoy the pants off of the Truthers.


...then again, I guess that isn't all that hard to do.
 
Lyte's own witness, Robert states quite clearly that his view of the plane was blocked after it went past the highway embankment. Robert clearly states that the plane hit the Pentagon. Lyte would have us believe that Robert means that the fireball caused hin to be unable to see the impact which makes little sense since why would Robert believe that the fireball occured before impact? Quite obviously, to anyone not prejudiced to not having a plane hit the Pentagon, Robert is saying that the plane desended after passing the highway and he could no longer see the plane but did see the fireball after it hit. Lyte could have made this very clear if he had asked Robert(and the others for that matter) whether they thought the plane hit a lower floor of the Pentagon or an upper floor. If they had stated that it was a lower floor that would doom his fly-over.
 
Lyte Trip has been thoroughly exposed and is in full, tail-between-his-legs retreat. He can take his "evidence" to any major daily or media news outlet and win a Pulitzer Prize with it--IF it's valid. The silence is thunderous.
 
I disagree. They will see it as normal speech patterns.

That's just it, though. It's their speech patterns.

1337m4ns use of "PWN" is equivelant to walking up to a member of Al-Queada and calling him a jew in arabic or farsi. Nothing pisses people off like insults that they completely understand.
 
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Recently I had a mad idea to get some green stuff off a friend. Dont ask me why, just one of those things. I had this in my own time, at home, alone while the misses was at the step mothers. shhh!

Back in the day I used to smoke pot endlessly and it was not until I quit did I realise how bad it was for my mind at that level of consumption. We are talking about 8-9 years back when I used heavily.

I had the smallest amount. Good quality and basically you could say '3 tokes'. The first thing I noticed was how intensely aware I was about every god damn thing in my house and mind. Suddenly I was worried, laughing, paranoid of sounds, forgetfull, and all these again in random orders.

At the time and since I have thought how this kind of constant brain abuse would have you utterly convinced of anything paranoid. Your perceptions are mixed. A sound close by is quiet, one on the other side of the house is so loud and echoes for 5 minutes in your head. I was convinced about 4 times during the evening I was not alone in the house and had to go look, noteably worried someone was there. Any other time I can immediately suspect the cat or know what it is and even if I go look, I dont feel a tiny bit paranoid as I felt that night.

At the time I found it funny but also quite convincing and its only my educational journey of the last 3-4 years and my knowledge of what to expect that kept me on the rails.

I can now laugh about lyte because I really think I understand why he believes this as he does. Same with TS1234. My perceptions were screwed after 3 tokes. I cant believe I used to smoke pot as much as I used to.

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EDIT: I am still laughing. All it takes is 3 words - 'A fly over' hahaha
 
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Good work there but no matter how many credible eyewitnesses there are Lyte will always say they are:
1. lying
2. mistaken
3. in on the plot

By definition you can't be reasonable with an unreasonable person.
 
Yeah, he'll just pull the "he didn't see it impact" nonsense, ignore the "didn't see it pull up" and trump it with the "paid off" card. And then accuse YOU of ignoring the evidence.
Class act.
 

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