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Anthrax False Flag Conspiracy

Oliver

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Oliver
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We all know that the Anthrax incident shortly after 9/11
was a conspiracy. Even if it looks like it had nothing to
do with the same people that were responsible for 9/11,
at least the Media tried to blame it on muslim sources
because:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...tles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go
"The letters sent to the senators both contain the words
>Death to America, Death to Israel, Allah is Great.<"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

Although the anthrax preparations were of different
grades, all of the material derived from the same bacterial
strain. Known as the Ames strain, it was first researched
at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious
Diseases (USAMRIID), Fort Detrick, Maryland. The Ames
strain was then distributed to at least fifteen bio-research
labs within the U.S. and six overseas.

...subsequent testing showed the anthrax to be identical
to the original Ames strain from Fort Detrick.

In October 2006 it was reported that water used to
process the anthrax spores came from a source in the
northeastern United States.[3] Press reports in 2003
indicated the FBI failed to reverse engineer the type of
anthrax found in the letters.[4][5]
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Is this the first proven false flag operation?

Discuss...
 
No. I disagree with your statement that "The media tried to blame it on Muslim sources," because I don't think the media invented those details.

While it seems clear that the anthrax mailer was not part of Al Qaeda, certainly not coordinated with the Sept. 11th attacks, and may not represent any fundamentalist Islamic viewpoint at all, that does not make this a "false flag." Perhaps the omnipresent "Death to America" note was sincere, and perhaps it was a copycat, designed to further throw investigators off the trail. But to be "false flag" requires government involvement. It is hardly unusual for criminals to lie.

There are a lot of unanswered questions about this most bizarre event, I agree. But I would posit that there is no evidence at all in support of this being a "false flag."
 
R.Mackey said:
No. I disagree with your statement that "The media tried to blame it on Muslim sources," because I don't think the media invented those details.

While it seems clear that the anthrax mailer was not part of Al Qaeda, certainly not coordinated with the Sept. 11th attacks, and may not represent any fundamentalist Islamic viewpoint at all, that does not make this a "false flag." Perhaps the omnipresent "Death to America" note was sincere, and perhaps it was a copycat, designed to further throw investigators off the trail. But to be "false flag" requires government involvement. It is hardly unusual for criminals to lie.

There are a lot of unanswered questions about this most bizarre event, I agree. But I would posit that there is no evidence at all in support of this being a "false flag."
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But you would agree that it would have been a false
flag operation if the anthrax came directly from a us
military laboratory, wouldn´t you?
 
Oliver said:
But you would agree that it would have been a false
flag operation if the anthrax came directly from a us
military laboratory, wouldn´t you?
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Nope. It would have to be authorized use to make it a "false flag."

If I steal a tank from the US Army, and drive it around, oh, say San Diego, does that mean the US Army is killing American citizens? Heck no.

Besides, as your own story points out, the Ames strain is hardly uncommon, with six commonly known stocks overseas. Whoever sent it could be a disgruntled American scientist and/or thief, or someone similar in another country. It could have been acquired in transit, black market, who knows?

Worth investigating to be sure, but I see nothing that makes this a "false flag."
 
Dazed said:
This is military grade anthrax. They don't sell it at 7-11. Government involvement is necessitated.
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I'll buy your second statement without evidence, but not the other two. Prove it.

Besides, there are governments other than the US. And a few of them might even be willing to try something like this.
 
The first statement is not in question. Read the original post, it originated from Fort Detrick.

The third, well, you can postulate wild Indiana Jones stories about mad scientists with an agenda, while dodging the simplest explanation.
 
Dazed said:
The first statement is not in question. Read the original post, it originated from Fort Detrick.

The third, well, you can postulate wild Indiana Jones stories about mad scientists with an agenda, while dodging the simplest explanation.
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so the idea that there are other governments besides the US is a wild indiana jones story?
 
R.Mackey said:
Nope. It would have to be authorized use to make it a "false flag."

If I steal a tank from the US Army, and drive it around, oh, say San Diego, does that mean the US Army is killing American citizens? Heck no.

Besides, as your own story points out, the Ames strain is hardly uncommon, with six commonly known stocks overseas. Whoever sent it could be a disgruntled American scientist and/or thief, or someone similar in another country. It could have been acquired in transit, black market, who knows?

Worth investigating to be sure, but I see nothing that makes this a "false flag."
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So what do you personally tend to believe? I mean it´s
pretty strange that the story died rapidly after the us-
origin suspicion came up. Did you read the final results
of the FBI-Investigation?
 
defaultdotxbe said:
so the idea that there are other governments besides the US is a wild indiana jones story?
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Why don't you name a few of these wild jihadi bio research labs secretly siphoning off american anthrax to despotic unnamed governments, then?
 
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Dazed said:
The first statement is not in question. Read the original post, it originated from Fort Detrick.
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You mean this part?

Known as the Ames strain, it was first researched
at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious
Diseases (USAMRIID), Fort Detrick, Maryland. The Ames
strain was then distributed to at least fifteen bio-research
labs within the U.S. and six overseas.
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No, there is no evidence that it came from Fort Detrick. There are "at least" twenty one known sources. Now, please, prove your statements.
 
Dazed said:
Why don't you name a few of these wild jihadi bio research labs secretly siphoning off american anthrax to despotic unnamed governments, then?
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Oh, come on ... Jihadi bio researcher live in caves... :D :p
 
Dazed said:
Why don't you name a few of these wild jihadi bio research labs secretly siphoning off american anthrax to despotic unnamed governments, then?
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It's probably fairly likely that Iraq got some of that Anthrax...

-Gumboot
 
Oliver said:
So what do you personally tend to believe? I mean it´s
pretty strange that the story died rapidly after the us-
origin suspicion came up. Did you read the final results
of the FBI-Investigation?
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I have read them, and it's strange, but honestly I don't have enough data to conclude much of anything.

I always thought the Mad Anthrax Bomber would be caught by tracing supplies of anthrax-specific antibiotics, as anyone who knew what they were doing would almost surely need to protect themselves. But apparently this hasn't panned out.

Nonetheless, since a US Government authorized action not only makes no sense, but is probably the most complicated of any scheme I can think of, I don't put any stock in the idea, not without evidence to the contrary. And there is none as far as I know.
 
R.Mackey said:
You mean this part?



No, there is no evidence that it came from Fort Detrick. There are "at least" twenty one known sources. Now, please, prove your statements.
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Wow, let me try to say this slowly for you. You're contesting my statement that its military grade anthrax by saying that it was shipped to labs after being created at the base. It can't be military grade if it's been to a lab, right?
 
Dazed said:
Wow, let me try to say this slowly for you. You're contesting my statement that its military grade anthrax by saying that it was shipped to labs after being created at the base. It can't be military grade if it's been to a lab, right?
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I don't know who you think you're talking to, but if you don't lose the attitude, you will soon be highly embarrassed.

Let me say this to you, even more slowly -- military grade anthrax doesn't get shipped to labs. It gets shipped to arsenals.

The strain is what they're talking about. It's genetically identical to Ames, apparently. The Ames strain isn't in any way special, really. What makes it "military grade" is the concentration and dispersion, all things that may or may not apply to what was found. The articles don't say.

Now do you understand?
 
Dazed said:
Wow, let me try to say this slowly for you. You're contesting my statement that its military grade anthrax by saying that it was shipped to labs after being created at the base. It can't be military grade if it's been to a lab, right?
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i think hes contesting your statement that the USG had to be involved by indicating how many sources for the strian there are
 
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