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Animal Telepath

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Tonight, some of the RatCap team and I went to a free seminar with animal telepath Jodi Ruckley (http://www.ourplaceonearth.com/ warning - serious risk of brain leaking out of ears at that site). It was... enlightening.

She has spent recent years in France, sitting in fields communicating with cows. Yes, cows. Apparently they are very wise, and have a lot to teach us. Like, for example, the fact that they live in harmony with nature - and that we can learn this from them.

I asked whether the cows were aware that they have been domesticated for 14,000 years and have been living in human environments all this time. This question was, er... not answered to my satisfaction. She mentioned that she had been approached by a cow who offered her milk - which she politely refused because she is a vegan. She can also communicate with plants - apparently the tomato plants are able to tell her when their produce is ready, and they offer it up gladly. I mentioned that plants have been bred by humans to produce food, just like animals have been bred by humans to produce food. Her response?

"Oh, no, I don't believe that's true."

Yes, she is an animal husbandry denier.

What struck me most about the whole thing is that most of the people in the audience (apart from the four of us skeptics) lapped the whole thing up with nary a question. And they came with their children! The credulous teaching their offspring how to be credulous!

There was one point where she said that she had taken her dog, Wayne, to a naturopathic vet, who had diagnosed him with terminal cancer. He had about a week to live. She then took him to an "energy healer" - a shaman - who did... something... and when she took him back to the "vet" a week later the cancer was gone! She said "Oh, I don't even know what the shaman did." A member of the audience sitting in front of me said "Well, obviously it worked!" Not even a single shred of skepticism about the claim! :wide-eyed

I was intending to ask her whether she could also speak with pets that had "passed to the other side". I didn't need to! Someone else asked her that. And her response? "Yes - in fact I find it easier." Double :wide-eyed

There's more, but I suspect that more at this point would simply be redundant. Suffice to say that it was a real eye-opener. It's one thing to academically know that there are people alive today who for all intents and purposes live on a completely different planet. It's entirely another thing to have them sitting there in front of you, barefoot, explaining how she can communicate telepathically with animals and plants.

There were times that I so wanted to stand up and challenge her on some of her more utterly ridiculous claims. But I couldn't. It was like there was a puppy sitting there, looking up at me with those big brown eyes - and me with a steel-capped boot poised and ready. But I couldn't. I just couldn't kick that puppy.

There'll be a segment on an upcoming episode, and we'll be describing our experience of the seminar at the next Skeptics in the Pub, this Sunday.
 
Does she talk to bulls? Do they find ways of expressing their opinion of her views?
 
How deeply disturbing. At least most of the clowns claiming psychic powers offer some vague proof, even if it is by making predictions that make Nostradamus look like a model of clarity.
 
Does she talk to bulls? Do they find ways of expressing their opinion of her views?

Yes, I'd like to see her "communicate" with a bull. Or a polar bear, a griz, a lion . . . you know, up close and personal.

The woman's a nitwit.
 
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Okay, so she's a vegan who won't drink milk even when a cow offers it to her willingly (and, by the way, that just strikes me as a rude way to treat such a wise bovine creature). She also talks to tomatoes and other flora. Just what the hell does the woman eat, anyway? Marinara is murder, people.
 
I am so glad that there are shamans around to correct these highly educated and trained doctors and there evil medical ways.
 
I confess to being something of a cat whisperer, but this is only because I understand their behavior, and the intent of their vocalizations and body language -- knowledge I've acquired through years of interacting with cats and reading about them -- and can manipulate that knowledge to my advantage.

I suspect that this lady has acquired similar knowledge of cows and other animals with which she interacts, but that she attributes it to some kind of mysterious, unquantifiable psychic force rather than what it really is -- human intelligence and sensitivity to subtle clues in animal (and human) body language and vocalizations.
 
I'm curious as to the wisdom offered by cows. It seems like something of a sheltered life being a cow. How much exposure does your average cow get to the usual catalysts for wisdom? It's a little hard to picture a cow Socrates with calves surrounding it going through exercises in reason. The mind reels at the possibilities for cow intellectual development.
 
Like Vortigern99 I actually have some experience learning to communicate with animals. I once actually "talked" a frightened and injured cat out from under a porch by imitating the "mommy, help me" cry of a kitten. The cat was rather confused but a bit of comforting body language and soft purring later I was able to pick it up (making sure to grip it's ruff for additional emotional support) and go find its owner.

I also once imitated a peacock's mating cry well enough to make a couple of males open their tails. This was pretty hilarious since there was a high wind that day. They would open their tails and then get blown over. Then as soon as they were back on their feet I made the cry again and what do you know? They opened their tails and fell over again.

This is all fun and games but I cannot believe that a person can "talk" to an animal in any meaningful way. They just don't think the same way we do. Oh, you can express basic emotions and simple concepts like danger and safety. But animals just don't see the world in an abstract way like humans do. Even if such things as telepathy did exist I couldn't imagine getting much more than emotions and pictures from an animal mind.
 
This is all fun and games but I cannot believe that a person can "talk" to an animal in any meaningful way. They just don't think the same way we do. Oh, you can express basic emotions and simple concepts like danger and safety. But animals just don't see the world in an abstract way like humans do. Even if such things as telepathy did exist I couldn't imagine getting much more than emotions and pictures from an animal mind.

Well, we can talk 'til we're blue in the face. :) And even though I know dogs can understand many words, I am reminded of an old Gary Larson cartoon:
 

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Yeah, I guess you're right. The brighter animals can understand a basic collection of words. However those words tend to correspond to concepts they can grasp. Things like object recognition or simple actions or that something is bad or good.
 
Yeah, I guess you're right. The brighter animals can understand a basic collection of words. However those words tend to correspond to concepts they can grasp. Things like object recognition or simple actions or that something is bad or good.

Are you talking about cows or the woman who thinks* she can talk to them?

*and I'm using that word quite wrongly
 
Are you talking about cows or the woman who thinks* she can talk to them?

*and I'm using that word quite wrongly

Hehe, good one. But you have to give her credit, she can think well enough to get people to pay her to tell her story.

Who's going to pay me just to hear about how to mimic feline sounds and body language to get just a small reaction? It's a far more interesting story to say that you can have actual conversions with animals about philosophic concepts.

Frankly, I can't always get humans to hold up their end of a philosophic conversation!
 
Who's going to pay me just to hear about how to mimic feline sounds and body language to get just a small reaction?

There might be a decent market for that if you can drum up some credentials and can find some people with extra disposable income. Plenty of people express interest in better communication with their pets.

Alternatively, with the right outfit and demonstrations you could sell tickets to a certain segment of society. ;)
 
Yeah, I guess you're right. The brighter animals can understand a basic collection of words. However those words tend to correspond to concepts they can grasp. Things like object recognition or simple actions or that something is bad or good.
True !...I have had chickens,ducks ,Turkeys,cats and a variety of wildlife all my Life and can communicate with them up to a point..I'm not saying I can speak Chickenese..Duckalog..or anything else for that matter,but when calling my chickens with a ..Pohcook..they'll come a'runnin' because they have been conditioned to associate that sound with the arrival of some chicken delicacy...chickens are wise... I understand my cats..they're wise and have taught me how to just flop down and relax..you could say i also have ..Cattitude....reading their minds ???Nah.that's WooWoo..
 
he had taken her dog, Wayne, to a naturopathic vet, who had diagnosed him with terminal cancer. He had about a week to live. She then took him to an "energy healer" - a shaman - who did... something... and when she took him back to the "vet" a week later the cancer was gone! She said "Oh, I don't even know what the shaman did."

I love how they get diagnis, be given such a short term of life, and get diagnosed as completely clear a week later. Are they super vets with super duper labs in her world? Usually if a diagnosis is a week to live its because the animal is literally dying.
And how do those cows know we drink milk, it isnt like we go and express it personally and drink a glass in front of them.
I think its an insult to animals to say theu think like us!
Ok, off my high horse :p
 
"Yes, she is an animal husbandry denier" is a sentence I never thought I'd hear.
 

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