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Analysing John Edward: Three articles

I don't have any way of verifying if any of the things he's saying are true or accurate about Edward's activities. I find it troubling that in the first essay, he's citing events that didn't make it out of the cutting room floor, so basically we have to take his word for it.

I'm not very impressed, actually.
 
Part 1 -- an analysis of a paraphrasing of an edited broadcast.

Part 3 -- an analysis of a recap of an edited broadcast.

Real detailed study, there...

Of course, I only skimmed the articles...
 
How is this
Edward: Someone in your family went to a farm and drank milk straight from the cow?
Man: That was me. When I was a kid.
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Any better than cold reading ?

Now if he had said that the sitter had been drinking milk straight from the cow then it would have been more impressive (and I would have suspected hot reading instead).

If you want to see a good cold reader at work watch Derren Brown. It's so much better than the fake psychic strawman Michael Prescott puts up.

So I think Bullflop
 
Haven't read these before

I actually haven't read these articles before by Michael Prescott.
Imagine that.

And yes I agree with his analazys that there are very obvious ways of rooting out the possibilites for cold-reading to occur and so forth.

If one is mentaly prepared and intellectualy equiped with an inqusitive yet not cynical and hell-bend debunking mind then I can experience a scientific investigation.

The trouble with quotes about death is that 99.999 percent of them are made by people who are still alive.

--Joshua Bruns
 
Derren Brown

Derren Brown yes, there's an excellent fellow that masters cold reading.
I saw it some time ago yet it wasn't at all impressing as so.
As a lot of self-proclaimed mediums have shown me the same disappointing hour.
Yet I have experienced in great detail readings that simply rules out the cold-reading factors.

Also there has been recent discussion on Derren Brown about his claims of psychology manouvers and so forth.
Wether they actually are done by psychological means or magical stuns (as he claims they often are not).

If the claims of psychological tricks of finding out the information he uses, then can it be tested scientifically?

Derren Brown said that it probably couldn't.

Too bad, he would probably become a Nobel prize winner for sure, and I should know, I live in the swedish climat.
 
Of course I cannot comment on your experiences.

If a reading is too detailed to involve cold reading (and of course assuming that the recollection of the reading is accurate and isn't embellished in any way) then a ready alternative is hot reading. If you booked the reading or were able to be overheard in any way then the psychic could have obtained their knowlege that way.

I have no idea as to how much of Derren Brown's act is psychology but a rule of thumb is that if a magician tells you how he's doing a trick, he's probably fooling you (unless it's the old double bluff if course).
 
The Don.

Yes I agree that at some occasions me being booked to a seance or meeting as similar could have leaved a window open for further investigation.

Though I have experienced a number of times where I dropped in unannounced, in Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Britain.
And yes, these are my experiences, wether true or not in these statements it isn't a scientific proof ready for publication that I am offerring as so.

A thing that has boggled me for years, was when I was at a friends house, and her american boyfriend who worked in the fields of psychic demonstrations as well as illusionist, took up a fork right in front of my eyes, then after a minute, laid it on the table next to another fork.
The fork started to twist and curl into a spiral shaped fork and soon after the fork next to it did the same allthough not as evident as it just curled a little.

I have since then researched about this yet I haven't found any real hardcore reliable evidence of how he did it.
And I got to save one of the forks.

Simply a recollection of mine that I wished to share with you, though of course it is what I experienced and not for you reliable facts as so.
 
WhiteLion said:
A thing that has boggled me for years, was when I was at a friends house, and her american boyfriend who worked in the fields of psychic demonstrations as well as illusionist, took up a fork right in front of my eyes, then after a minute, laid it on the table next to another fork.
The fork started to twist and curl into a spiral shaped fork and soon after the fork next to it did the same allthough not as evident as it just curled a little.

I have since then researched about this yet I haven't found any real hardcore reliable evidence of how he did it.
And I got to save one of the forks.
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Either:

You misremember and it wasn't quite as spectacular as you recall

or

He bought this widely available illusion from a magical supply company
 
Yes it would be convenient for you and even me if I did misremember, which is often the response I get from the cynical conduct of thought-people.
Not that I am saying that you are cynical, simply stating another experience of mine.

It would bring me much peace of mind if it was misremembered or something he bought.
But he didn't live with my friend and the forks had been her forks for years as I recognized them as so.

I'm sorry, I have investigated in those possibilites yet I haven't been able to bring forth any reliable facts from them.
Though had I had a mind unlike my present one I would likely have been satisfied with one of your formentioned possibilites and settled at that.
Though I personally have a real hard time to ever for a few minutes stop questioning something I haven't experienced as having had 100% obvious evidence for.
 
WhiteLion said:
Yes it would be convenient for you and even me if I did misremember, which is often the response I get from the cynical conduct of thought-people.
Not that I am saying that you are cynical, simply stating another experience of mine.

It would bring me much peace of mind if it was misremembered or something he bought.
But he didn't live with my friend and the forks had been her forks for years as I recognized them as so.

I'm sorry, I have investigated in those possibilites yet I haven't been able to bring forth any reliable facts from them.
Though had I had a mind unlike my present one I would likely have been satisfied with one of your formentioned possibilites and settled at that.
Though I personally have a real hard time to ever for a few minutes stop questioning something I haven't experienced as having had 100% obvious evidence for.
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If you are in Denmark (and can avoid the Tundra Mammothstm) you might take old Claus F. Larson (noted consumer of all things psychic) on a tour of some of the best of the best that you have encountered. In fact, I think that this is a smashing idea. Couple of forks, bit of communication with the dead, a spot of booze. Perfect Copenhagen evening. I will ask on behalf of him. What say you?
 
Ed said:
If you are in Denmark (and can avoid the Tundra Mammothstm) you might take old Claus F. Larson (noted consumer of all things psychic) on a tour of some of the best of the best that you have encountered. In fact, I think that this is a smashing idea. Couple of forks, bit of communication with the dead, a spot of booze. Perfect Copenhagen evening. I will ask on behalf of him. What say you?
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White Lion

I'm sure Claus would like to see that fork, too.

As the American guy was "an illusionist" there was most likely a trick involved.

I also guess the one that was kept as a souvenir was the one that didn't bend too much. Am I correct?

Were the forks so distictive that they could definitely be identified as real forks from the hosts?

How long ago was this? Did the guy cover the forks with something while they bent?

We need more details of this miracle -- because if it is as you described, it would be supernatural. Hint: Forks don't bend unless someone bends them, or they are made of a certain material that forks are not normally made of, except for props in the magic trade.
 
I'd like to see that fork. What fork was it, the one that curled up a lot or just a little?

What are these seances you are talking about?
 
I have not decided on an answer to the "fork" experience because I simply have not been able to find an explaination to bring peace of mind.

What he did was to hold one of the forks in his hands, a quite regular hold it seemed, then put it on the table next to my friends fork, then it started to twist into a spiral, and shortly after the fork next to it did a similar twist yet not as much.

And yes the fork I got was the one that didn't curl the most.
A regular fork with a destinctive tip, long pikes, almost like small barbeque forks.
Though I knew from before these had been my friends since before they met.

And I'm not saying it wasn't a trick, it possibly was, yet I still have no explaination.
 
WhiteLion said:
I have not decided on an answer to the "fork" experience because I simply have not been able to find an explaination to bring peace of mind.
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I didn't ask if you had made up your mind. I asked if I could see that fork.

WhiteLion said:
What he did was to hold one of the forks in his hands, a quite regular hold it seemed, then put it on the table next to my friends fork, then it started to twist into a spiral, and shortly after the fork next to it did a similar twist yet not as much.

And yes the fork I got was the one that didn't curl the most.
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Here's why: The other fork is a rather expensive trick, available for about $100.

WhiteLion said:
A regular fork with a destinctive tip, long pikes, almost like small barbeque forks. Though I knew from before these had been my friends since before they met.
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Really? You notice what ordinary forks your friends keep? Friends can make fun of you, you know.

WhiteLion said:
And I'm not saying it wasn't a trick, it possibly was, yet I still have no explaination.
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I'd still like to see that fork.

What are these seances you are talking about?
 
I do not understand your question Larsen about the seances?

The fork is at my second home in southern Sweden.
Did you mean to see a picture.

And yes I have friends that make fun of my behaviour and hobbies etc.
When a certain moment arises the strangest things that occur are the easiest to remember.
 
WhiteLion said:
I do not understand your question Larsen about the seances?
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You said this:

WhiteLion said:
Yes I agree that at some occasions me being booked to a seance or meeting as similar could have leaved a window open for further investigation.
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What do you mean by "seance"?

WhiteLion said:
The fork is at my second home in southern Sweden. Did you mean to see a picture.
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No, I want to hold it in my hands.
 
Seance? Excuse me if it was misspelled.

A meeting where communication with the astral aspects of the consciousness of individuals is conducted.
 
WhiteLion said:
Seance? Excuse me if it was misspelled.
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No, no, it wasn't. I was just asking if you could talk to dead people.

WhiteLion said:
A meeting where communication with the astral aspects of the consciousness of individuals is conducted.
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And you can facilitate this communication with these astral aspects?
 
Oh no CSLarsen, I never ment that I conduct these events or what have you.
I am not a medium.
 
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