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Merged Alec Baldwin fatally shoots crewmember on set of movie with prop gun

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She's dead, and somehow the director was hit as well. Treated and released I believe. Whoops, no .. guess he's still in hospital.
Pretty much no details just yet. Freakin' stunning.


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Sorry... DP is director of photography.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Yeah, lots of things about this situation we don't know yet. I would caution against idle speculation.
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Yeah, even one hour old articles are without details (it happened about 8 hours ago). Seems it's a pretty tight lid for now.

It's such a rarity now, after a few incidents 10, 20 years ago (Brandon Lee being one high profile case) I'm just a bit stunned it would happen on what I presume is a big budget production.
 
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Considering how much we love guns in movies I'm shocked we don't have more accidents. I guess that proves what consistent safety culture can do.
 
“I’m so sad about losing Halyna. And so infuriated that this could happen on a set,” said Archenemy director Adam Egypt Mortimer on Twitter. “She was a brilliant talent who was absolutely committed to art and to film.”
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It introduces him as an archenemy but of whom?
 
By the way, I want to be the first to say that Donald Trump is a real ******* for what he will think about this when he wakes up.
 
Travis said:
Considering how much we love guns in movies I'm shocked we don't have more accidents. I guess that proves what consistent safety culture can do.
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That's exactly the point. Hollywood has a long history of producing gun-heavy movies where no-one gets accidentally shot in production. What happened that this suddenly went so badly?

They're reporting that it was a "prop gun" firing blanks. Can anyone shed light on what the differences are between a prop gun and a real one?
 
arthwollipot said:
That's exactly the point. Hollywood has a long history of producing gun-heavy movies where no-one gets accidentally shot in production. What happened that this suddenly went so badly?

They're reporting that it was a "prop gun" firing blanks. Can anyone shed light on what the differences are between a prop gun and a real one?
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Prop guns are guns that look real but can only fire blanks.
Real guns are real guns and can fire real bullets and blanks.

Some blank ammunition has either paper, felt, or plastic wadding holding the powder charge behind it. When the powder charge goes off - sufficient build up of propellent gasses can propel the wadding out of the barrel at a high rate of speed for a short distance. That is why at close range these type of blanks can be deadly.

Edit: I would suggest that Baldwin was being asked to shoot a tight in to the camera scene where he would be pointing the gun right at the camera lens or slightly off to one side. The director and DP were probably right behind the camera or on their monitors very close by trying to size up and frame the shot.
These types of shots are dangerous and should never be done with the actual firearm - prop or real - during set-up. A wooden or plastic fake gun that has zero capability of firing anything should be used. .
Only after set up should the actor have the firearm and the camera should be remotely operated and all crew safely to the side or behind.

There should have been at least three people on that set whose only job was to ensure nothing like this happened. The Stunt Coordinator, The Armourer, and the Safety Officer.

Baldwin himself is a veteran of movies involving firearms. He would have been told and trained about proper procedures regarding firearm safety numerous times. The poor man is probably horrified at what happened; However, barring equipment failure, he is the one who ultimately pulled the trigger when the barrel was pointed in an unsafe direction and that is on him.

Terrible accident - but I strongly suggest it would have been highly preventable had proper procedures been followed.
 
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From the Daily Beast:


Halyna Hutchins, 42, was airlifted from the set of Rust, which began filming at Bonanza Creek Ranch south of Santa Fe this month, mid-afternoon to the University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she succumbed to her injuries.

Baldwin also hit the film’s director, Joel Souza, 48, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office. Souza remains in intensive care. The sheriff said in a statement the two “were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin... producer and actor.” Baldwin, 63, reportedly did not know the prop contained live rounds.
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...but the same article later says...

Director James Cullen Bressack commented, “I will miss you my friend.” He elaborated to The Daily Beast, “I will never have blanks on my sets ever again.
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Blanks are not totally benign but one dead and one injured that are not actors is an odd situation.
 
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Sherkeu said:
From the Daily Beast:





...but the same article later says...



Blanks are not totally benign but one dead and one injured that are not actors is an odd situation.
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Blanks can be deadly….in the army we had blank firing adaptors that blocked most of the barrel to provide the back pressure needed to cycle the weapon. Blanks fired without these suppressors could do serious damage out to a couple of meters.
 
arthwollipot said:
That's exactly the point. Hollywood has a long history of producing gun-heavy movies where no-one gets accidentally shot in production. What happened that this suddenly went so badly?



They're reporting that it was a "prop gun" firing blanks. Can anyone shed light on what the differences are between a prop gun and a real one?
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There's a good interview with a Hollywood prop company guy on forgotten weapons where they discuss the various considerations that goes into building prop guns

https://youtu.be/GnOUrRTf6jg

In addition to modifying the firearm so that blank ammo can cycle the gun without the normal back pressure provided by a bullet squeezing down the barrel, there's also cosmetic concerns like intensifying muzzle flash for dramatic effect.

Most of these guns end up having some sort of restrictor installed in the muzzle and modifications to the mechanical locking mechanisms to make them cycle with blanks.

Even without a bullet there's still tremendous kinetic energy in the form of gas pressure coming out the muzzle end.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
There's a good interview with a Hollywood prop company guy on forgotten weapons where they discuss the various considerations that goes into building prop guns

https://youtu.be/GnOUrRTf6jg

In addition to modifying the firearm so that blank ammo can cycle the gun without the normal back pressure provided by a bullet squeezing down the barrel, there's also cosmetic concerns like intensifying muzzle flash for dramatic effect.

Most of these guns end up having some sort of restrictor installed in the muzzle and modifications to the mechanical locking mechanisms to make them cycle with blanks.

Even without a bullet there's still tremendous kinetic energy in the form of gas pressure coming out the muzzle end.
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If it was a cheap and nasty modified gun maybe the blank blew the plug out of the barrel?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
There's a good interview with a Hollywood prop company guy on forgotten weapons where they discuss the various considerations that goes into building prop guns

https://youtu.be/GnOUrRTf6jg

In addition to modifying the firearm so that blank ammo can cycle the gun without the normal back pressure provided by a bullet squeezing down the barrel, there's also cosmetic concerns like intensifying muzzle flash for dramatic effect.

Most of these guns end up having some sort of restrictor installed in the muzzle and modifications to the mechanical locking mechanisms to make them cycle with blanks.

Even without a bullet there's still tremendous kinetic energy in the form of gas pressure coming out the muzzle end.
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If it was a cheap and nasty modified gun maybe the blank blew the plug out of the barrel?
 
Director of photography killed, movie director injured after Alec Baldwin discharged prop firearm on movie set

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/21/entertainment/rust-film-accident/index.html

(CNN) - A film crew member has died and another was injured after actor Alec Baldwin discharged a prop firearm on the set of the movie "Rust" in New Mexico on Thursday, according to a law enforcement statement provided to CNN.

Director of photography Halyna Hutchins, 42, was transported to the hospital via helicopter and pronounced dead by medical personnel at University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office.

Director Joel Souza, 48, was transported to Christus St. Vincent's Regional Medical Center by ambulance for care. Details on his condition were not released.
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This is horrible. I mean, aside from the dead woman, I can't even imagine the emotional toll this will have on Baldwin. Forget about career implications.

The hate and clowning he is going to get over this will be legendary. Just the memes alone will be devastating.
 
What is the value of using blanks rather than fully fake guns? Do they give a realistic recoil? It would seem the sound would be easy to dub in.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
What is the value of using blanks rather than fully fake guns? Do they give a realistic recoil? It would seem the sound would be easy to dub in.
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At this point very little.

Robert Rodriguez shot the entire film Once Upon A Time In Mexico (which is pretty much one movie length shootout and didn't have a huge budget) without bringing a single real gun in Mexico for filming, usually only totally static prop guns that didn't fire in any manner, and the only problem he had was reminding Antonio Banderas to stop making "pew pew" sounds while filming.

The muzzle flashes, bullet impacts, even blood splatter where all added in later digitally.
 
The Fool said:
Blanks can be deadly….in the army we had blank firing adaptors that blocked most of the barrel to provide the back pressure needed to cycle the weapon. Blanks fired without these suppressors could do serious damage out to a couple of meters.
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Jon-Erik Hexum (Voyagers, Cover Up) died on set in 1984 after fooling around with a prop gun loaded with blanks and shooting himself in the head.
 
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