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Adventures with sound recorders...

Cleopatra

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I bought a Sony IC recorder type ICD-P series to record voice, conversations etc and I have just found out with horror that the PC doesn't store the sound files in Mp3 format.

I want them to be in Mp3 format in order to be able to send them via Internet and the person who will use them must have them in MP3.

The voice editor that escorts the device saves them in DVF type of files.

How will I convert them?
 
If you can play the samples on the computer in the software that came with the gadget, you can use something like 'Total Recorder' to play it through a "fake" sound card that records everything. Also handy for those other non-MP3 players.
http://www.highcriteria.com/

The other thing would be to plug the analog output from the recorder's playback into the 'line in' for your sound card. You can sample and encode from there with most recording software. Even with the 'Sound Recorder' accessory.
 
There isn't any output just a USB cord. It's a recorder journalists use to interview people. The sound I will send will be broacasted by a radio station. The program that escorts the device saves files in WAV format too so I though... what if I saved them in WAV format and I converted them in MP3 then? ;)
 
Cleopatra said:
There isn't any output just a USB cord. It's a recorder journalists use to interview people. The sound I will send will be broacasted by a radio station. The program that escorts the device saves files in WAV format too so I though... what if I saved them in WAV format and I converted them in MP3 then? ;)

That'll work. Then just the 'Sound Recorder' accessory will do the job IF you have the MP3 CODEC installed.

If you don't, then you'll probably want to track down LAME, which encodes to MP3 from WAV files.
http://mitiok.cjb.net/
 
What is an MP3 codec and how can I see if I have it installed?

Sorry for the stupid questions!
 
Cleopatra said:
I bought a Sony IC recorder type ICD-P series to record voice, conversations etc and I have just found out with horror that the PC doesn't store the sound files in Mp3 format.
I've never heard of these devices before, but my psychic spirit tells me it should have come bundled with a piece of software called "Digital Voice Editor 2.1" that has a function called "Batch CODEC Convert" that is able to convert your DVF files into WAV or MP3 files. Of course my psychic spirit is as thick as two short planks, so this may all be guff.
 
Cleopatra,

Relax. I have a ICD-BP-150, and I save them as WAV and convert the files into MP3. Email me for instructions.

Those babies are way cool!!
 
Cleopatra said:
What is an MP3 codec and how can I see if I have it installed?

Sorry for the stupid questions!

If you go to 'accessories' in your start menu and track down 'Sound Recorder' (under 'Entertainment' in versions of Windows since Win98), you should be able to "save as" MP3.


Although if doing a conversion from WAV to MP3 with LAME from the command line sounds "hard", you might want to PM CFLarsen for instructions.

There are about 1000 solutions for converting WAV to MP3, and I don't know whick (if any) are installed on your computer. Generally it's load a wav and save an MP3, but some have "batch convert" tools and such. No telling.

LAME is definitely free, and the command line (invoked from start->programs->accessories) would go like:

lame filename.wav

And then out would come a filename.mp3 file, right next to the filename.wav file.
 
Thank you very much. The problem is resolved! :)

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I have a sound file saved in a minidisc. How can I transfer it to my pc. My minidisc device doesn't support a USB cord. Is there a way?
 
Cleopatra said:
SHmmm what about bying a sound card that supports a line-in that my MD has?

Um, why doesn't your sound card support the line signals of your MD?

If the line signal of the MD is higher than you need, you can easily make a patch with a couple of resistors. I found that a 100K and 10K resistor made a dandy patch for connecting a line output to a dynamic microphone input.

If it's the other way around, you'll probably need a step-up audio transformer.
 
Well epepke Greece is some millenia back when you find yourself in the position to pose a simple question to an "expert". I should have recorded my dialogues with Sony Hellas.... My mom who saw me frustrated this morning had a brilliant idea:"Why don't you call SONY Israel?" And they ask me why I keep reminding everybody that I am an Israeli too...

To make a short story short the model of MD I had didn't have a line-out. With a line out there are several things one can do to solve the problem.

I bought a new MD Net bla bla and it's ok. The other sound recorder the type ICD-P is a joke in comparison with the MD when it comes to the quality of sound recording and I wonder why, they are not cheap tools.

Of course the whole project might have cost me less if I had purchased some airtickets and I went to NYC each week to deliver the sound file myself....
 
Cleopatra said:
Well epepke Greece is some millenia back when you find yourself in the position to pose a simple question to an "expert". I should have recorded my dialogues with Sony Hellas.... My mom who saw me frustrated this morning had a brilliant idea:"Why don't you call SONY Israel?" And they ask me why I keep reminding everybody that I am an Israeli too...

To make a short story short the model of MD I had didn't have a line-out. With a line out there are several things one can do to solve the problem.

Headphone out works just as well as line out. Just make sure that the MD is running on battery power so as to avoid ground loops. You might even be able to get away with no patch, depending on the volume control.

I would think it would actually be easier to find DIY stuff in Greece. I know it's easier in England than in the US, and it's way easier in Mexico.

I bought a new MD Net bla bla and it's ok. The other sound recorder the type ICD-P is a joke in comparison with the MD when it comes to the quality of sound recording and I wonder why, they are not cheap tools.

Oh well. You're probably richer than I anyway. I go for the solution that costs less than $5 whenever I can.
 
epepke said:
Headphone out works just as well as line out. Just make sure that the MD is running on battery power so as to avoid ground loops. You might even be able to get away with no patch, depending on the volume control.
The man in Israel told me to test this but it didn't work.
I would think it would actually be easier to find DIY stuff in Greece. I know it's easier in England than in the US, and it's way easier in Mexico.
It's not that you cannot find spare parts and software, it's that none knows what he sells something that drives me crazy. Can you believe that you go in the store and it is you that informs the sellers of what the devices they sell are capable to do??Not to tell you what happens with issues of Internet. Since I have ADSL line the technicians of my IP and yours truly know the same things... that speaks volumes of our technicians and some people here do not understand that this is one of the serious reasons why we cannot attract foreign investors... but this is another discussion.
I go for the solution that costs less than $5 whenever I can.
That proves that somebody is smart and not less wealthy. I share this mentality, I am willing to pay only the real value of something ,of course each of us pays something extra for his ignorance or his inability to help himself in a situation. Otherwise you would be able to represent yourself in court for example and how fair is that huh? To fix your high tec issues and represent yourself in court? :p (And don't tell me that you would do it better than the average lawyer...)
 
Cleopatra said:
The man in Israel told me to test this but it didn't work. It's not that you cannot find spare parts and software, it's that none knows what he sells something that drives me crazy.

it seems similar to the US in this regard. There used to be magazines about this, like Popular Electronics and Radio Electronics. They recently had a reissue as PopTronics, but I don't know what happened to that.

To fix your high tec issues and represent yourself in court? :p (And don't tell me that you would do it better than the average lawyer...)

Fortunately, this hasn't come up. I probably couldn't do it better than the average lawyer, and I'd hire someone. I'm bright enough, however, to file the odd amicus brief.

I suppose I have a basic understanding of law, and it's kind of frightening to me when people in civilized countries don't have a basic understanding of electricity and electronics. It seems to me that something important is being lost. This is quite true of the United States, less so in England, where up until fairly recently everyone needed to know how to wire a plug. So far I've thought the US was the worst, but this may not be so.

It frightens me because it turns electronic devices into purely consumer products and distances people from the fact that they're made from parts that people put together.

But I digress.

Anyway, as a public service, line output varies from .1 to 1 volt peak-to-peak. Newer devices use .1 volt. Headphone output varies between 0 and several volts. Speaker output can get to the order of 100 volts for really high-powered systems.

There are two easy ways of changing the voltage. One is with a transformer. These are kind of tricky, because some transformers are sold as impedence-matching transformers, and the input and output are given in ohms. To find the voltage difference, take the square root of the ratio.

If you just need to reduce the voltage of a signal, such as headphone to line, a voltage divider also works. These are simple. Take two resistors and wire them in series, that is, the end of one resistor is connected to the end of the other resistor, but the two remaining ends are free. Take the input signal (2 wires) and connect them to the free ends of the pair. Take the output across one resistor. The ratio of voltage reduction is the same as the ratio of the resistance of the one resistor to the sum of the resistances of the two resistors.

Or you can buy a potentiometer, also known as a volume control. This is just one big resistor with a wiper arm turned by the knob. It has three connectors. Put the input signal into the two outside connectors. Take the output signal from the center connector to one of the outside connectors. Which one you choose only affects which direction the potentiometer works, assuming a linear potentiometer. Twiddle the knob until the signal is right. Any potentiometer between 10K and 100K should work reasonably well.

There are also nonlinear (i.e. volumetric) potentiometers, but these only affect how much the signal changes based on how much you turn it. If you're willing to twiddle until the signal is right, this doesn't matter much.
 
You know epepke when I read that this could be done with 5 $ the Jew in me revolted and I have been thinking about it since yesterday... You were right. A friend brought me an analog cable ( male both sides) I discovered how to use the line-in of my soundcard and I found out that I had the appropriate software...MusicMatch that is.



You are in my memoires. :D

Tomorrow I will have great fun when I will return the new MD player to the company...
 
You know, I once read that one of Alexander the Great's generals was a Scotsman. I'm starting to believe the genes are surfacing in the last of the Ptolemies...
 
Soapy Sam said:
You know, I once read that one of Alexander the Great's generals was a Scotsman. I'm starting to believe the genes are surfacing in the last of the Ptolemies...

I don't want to make epepke die of jealousy but I did my job with 3$ and not with 5. Cables are much cheaper in this corner of earth. :D :D :D
 
Cleopatra said:
I don't want to make epepke die of jealousy but I did my job with 3$ and not with 5. Cables are much cheaper in this corner of earth. :D :D :D

Ah, but that was a rough estimate. I'd be able to do it for free, except for the cost of solder and butane, because I already have the parts, long since scavenged.
 

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