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Acupuncture study

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This study, in the current issue of the Medical Journal of Australia, is getting some media attention at the moment;

Acupuncture for persistent allergic rhinitis: a randomised, sham-controlled trial

It concludes
Our findings suggest that acupuncture is effective in the symptomatic treatment of PAR (Persistent allergic rhinitis).


The only major flaw I see in the methodology is the single-blinded nature of treatment delivery, which may be enough for me to discount the conclusion but how would one refute such a study publicly?
 
In our study, participants were permitted to take PAR symptomatic relief medication when they considered it necessary. We assessed the use of relief medication as a secondary outcome measure, but the findings were difficult to interpret. Use of relief medication was reduced, compared with baseline, immediately after 8 weeks of real acupuncture treatment, and the reduction was still apparent 12 weeks later. There were no such changes in the sham-treated group. However, comparison of medication use between the groups showed no significant differences. The inconsistency in results of the two analyses may have resulted from the numerical, although statistically insignificant, differences in use of relief medication between the groups at baseline. Thus, we cannot draw a definitive conclusion about the effects of acupuncture treatment on use of conventional pharmacotherapy.
I would venture to suggest that if you have some sort of numerical inconsistency such as this, it should be investigated more thoroughly.

Also, there seems to be an assumption that it is all one way - the accupuncture may affect the use of adjunct medication, but not the other way - the medication may affect the perceived outcome of the accupuncture. The use of adjunct treatment that directly affects the outcomes of the testing should really be taken into account, either by withholding it during the testing period, or doing a more controlled form of test.

Finally, the single-blinding of accupuncture tests is an old problem - it is difficult to "sham" accupuncture, especially if patients have had it before and know how it should feel.
 
The only major flaw I see in the methodology is the single-blinded nature of treatment delivery, which may be enough for me to discount the conclusion but how would one refute such a study publicly?

I see a major flaw, but firstly lets look at other possibilities for bias, none of them particularly crucial, but bias nonetheless:
Patients were recruited by advertisements in local media
This means you do not have a random sample of patients with PAR entering your study, you have patients who specifically put themselves forward to be subjects in a trial of acupuncture for their PAR. This introduces selection bias.
The acupuncturist was not blinded, but was instructed not to communicate with the participants about treatment procedures and responses
Difficult to control for this one, but patients may be able to detect from the acupuncturists responses/reactions whether he is giving true or sham needling. Also as Zep has indicated, participants may have had acupuncture before - it would have been better if an exclusion criterion was "any acupuncture in the past".
For sham acupuncture, the insertion sites were 1–1.5 cm from the acupoints used for real treatment, and shorter needles (diameter, 0.25 mm; length, 13 mm; Suzhou Medical Appliance Factory) were applied in a shallow needling technique (3–5 mm).13
Ideally a better study would have had subgroups in the design -
(1) "true" acupuncture"
(2) using sham acupoints with normal acupuncture technique and needles, and
(3) Shallow needle insertion at true acupoints but with shallow neeles and no de-qi being elicited.
This would have enabled the researchers to differentiate whether acupuncture works because sticking needles into someone elicits a response, or because it uses ancient chinese meridians and gobbledegook mysticism
four nasal symptoms (nasal obstruction, sneezing, rhinorrhoea and nasal itch) were self-assessed daily
Potential for bias. Objective outcomes are always best, but perhaps hard for something like PAR.
The sample size was determined on the basis of a 70% reduction in TNSS with real acupuncture and a 30% reduction with sham acupuncture.13 Thus, a sample size of 36 for each group would provide 80% power with a type I error rate of 5% (two-tailed).
Am I being overly suspicious in noting that of the original 182 patients invited to submit to the study, only 80 finally entered (conveniently making just sufficient in each group for their power stats analysis)?


Now the major flaw:
Regression to the mean:

Look at box 3. This shows that at baseline, the 2 groups had quite a marked difference in symptoms (and this is before any acupuncture was given!) The TNSS is 47 for the group that were selected to go on to have acupuncture, and 39 for the group to recieve acupuncture. The first group had worse symptoms (p = 0.058, quite a big difference really)
However, the researchers, quite cleverly, only consider changes from baseline. This is wrong! The reduction in symptoms in the true acupuncture group might well be largely explained by regression of symptoms to the mean.
The researchers should never do an analysis comparing groups from baseline unless the baseline was the same in both groups, which it clearly wasn't.
What they should have done was only randomise people to sham/true acupuncture after they submitted baseline TNSS scores, to ensure that baseline scores were similar for the groups.
IMO this is the most serious design flaw with this study, and if this had been addressed then a statistically valid difference would not have been obtained for the overall analysis. The authors make no mention of this in the study discussion.
 
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This study, in the current issue of the Medical Journal of Australia, is getting some media attention at the moment;

Acupuncture for persistent allergic rhinitis: a randomised, sham-controlled trial

It concludes

The only major flaw I see in the methodology is the single-blinded nature of treatment delivery, which may be enough for me to discount the conclusion but how would one refute such a study publicly?

I read the study and it looks to be well-done. There is no good way to blind the practitioner as to whether or not they are doing sham acucpuncture. I would have liked to see more information given on the use of specific medications in each group, as differences in the use of effective medication would lead to differences in the outcomes. For example, they do mention that more people in the treatment group used nasal steroids than those in the sham group. One would like to see the results replicated and to see a comparison between acupuncture and an effective treatment like nasal steroids.

Linda
 
Now the major flaw:
Regression to the mean:

Look at box 3. This shows that at baseline, the 2 groups had quite a marked difference in symptoms (and this is before any acupuncture was given!) The TNSS is 47 for the group that were selected to go on to have acupuncture, and 39 for the group to recieve acupuncture. The first group had worse symptoms (p = 0.058, quite a big difference really)
However, the researchers, quite cleverly, only consider changes from baseline. This is wrong! The reduction in symptoms in the true acupuncture group might well be largely explained by regression of symptoms to the mean.
The researchers should never do an analysis comparing groups from baseline unless the baseline was the same in both groups, which it clearly wasn't.
What they should have done was only randomise people to sham/true acupuncture after they submitted baseline TNSS scores, to ensure that baseline scores were similar for the groups.
IMO this is the most serious design flaw with this study, and if this had been addressed then a statistically valid difference would not have been obtained for the overall analysis. The authors make no mention of this in the study discussion.

I agree that that's an important point. I noticed that difference but misread what the table was for. Of note, is that the only individual symptom that was significantly different at 8 weeks is also the only symptom that was almost signficantly different at the start.

At the very least, a re-analysis taking the difference into account should have been performed for comparison and it should have been included in the discussion.

Linda
 
"Attention is the cognitive process of selectively concentrating on one aspect of the environment while ignoring other things".

To justify this aspect, probably, science may need to understand , psycho/physico-logical basis of attention first. In this case stimuli and its reason in recognisable--as pain or attention at a point.

Whether such attention stimulate concentration of psycho/physico-logical activities at a point, may need to be evalued?
 
Kumar, the point of this thread is to critically review a specific journal paper. Do not spam it with your nonsense.
 
Kumar, the point of this thread is to critically review a specific journal paper. Do not spam it with your nonsense.

I thought, insisting much on evidances, for example, you may not be satisfied by just looking parents-childern relationship and may ask for DNA test to justyfy paternity.

Anyway enjoy.
 
I'm struggling to understand what Kumar is saying that has to do with the study. Can someone help me out?
 
I'm struggling to understand what Kumar is saying that has to do with the study. Can someone help me out?

I can help.

If you will understand the science of stimuli and its psycho/physiological impacts, it will be easier for you to justify any study, probably then you may even need lesser studies. Here, attention and concentration due to applied stimuli is relevant. You have just to ask from known people, what is the physical, psychlogical or physiological basis of attention and concentration.Ok?
 
If you will understand the science of stimuli and its psycho/physiological impacts, it will be easier for you to justify any study, probably then you may even need lesser studies.

The goal of medical research is not to "justify any study" nor is it to reduce the number of studies that might be needed to determine the safety and efficacy of any treatment being studied. (I'm assuming that by "justify" you're using some strange meaning--like "validate" or even "excuse the poor design of".)


Don't you think if you can "justify any study" that what you are doing is not going to lead to a better understanding of anything?
 
The goal of medical research is not to "justify any study" nor is it to reduce the number of studies that might be needed to determine the safety and efficacy of any treatment being studied. (I'm assuming that by "justify" you're using some strange meaning--like "validate" or even "excuse the poor design of".)


Don't you think if you can "justify any study" that what you are doing is not going to lead to a better understanding of anything?

Though you can try to study it without understanding psycho/physiological reactions. Still best justification will be when you can understand both theory and practical to be calculative and observational. Unless you understand the basis, it can be half cooked understanding.

Whether science and physical basis of attention and concentration is known as yet or still pending?
 
Thanks all for your input - I'm just a lowly engineer and not an academic so it's good to see how such analysis can be addressed.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to call our local radio station when they interviewed the chief investigator last night. The segment quickly degenerated in to a talk fest about why "Western" medicine was ignoring acupuncture and a talk back session for people to call in and tell then how wonderful acupuncture was. Biased host, biased researcher, biased callers.

Frustrating and sad, and doing nothing for my opinion of the rigor of academia.

A cynic might also point out that it's peak hay fever season here at the moment, so the timing couldn't be better to drum up business for the acupuncture clinics!
 
When people start talking about "Western" medicine, it's a good indicator that a whole lot of woo is going to be discussed.
 
Agreed. Unfortunately woo dressed as rigorous academic discourse is very hard to refute.

If I had managed to call the show last night I would have been in a very weak position to attack the study. After all, it's published in a respected journal, which is what sceptics usually ask for, and I'm not an academic with any relevant credentials.
 
Being published in a respected journal does not excuse any study from refutation. It simply shows that it has passed the "sensibleness" sniff-test of the journal's editors (i.e. it is sufficiently sensible to be made public without bringing ridicule on the journal itself).

Can I suggest that a well-thought-out and well-written refutation would be just the ticket for the next edition of the MJA? The editors do like a good refutation!
 
Hi Zep, I'm intrigued, can you point me to some good examples of refutations published by such journals. (style/format etc). I assume it needs to be more than just a letter to the editor.

As someone with absolutely no authority in the field I doubt my view as a concerned citizen would carry much weight with the editors. I'm happy to give it a go though…
 
Though you can try to study it without understanding psycho/physiological reactions. Still best justification will be when you can understand both theory and practical to be calculative and observational. Unless you understand the basis, it can be half cooked understanding.

Whether science and physical basis of attention and concentration is known as yet or still pending?

Kumar, go and read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention and don't come back until you have thoroughly misunderstood it and incorporated it into one of your flights of fancy.
 

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