Without commenting on the detail of this thread, I was very excited by the Arab Spring, in particular the removal of Egypt’s Mubarak. What has been the lasting legacy? Nothing. What will be the outcome of these protests in Iran? Sadly, much the same.
A Revolution Could Soon Be Under Way in Iran
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angrysoba
Philosophile
I think, sadly, the main lessons with revolutions is that they end up with the kind of chaotic violence that only those most prepared to resort to brutal means become the ultimate beneficiaries of. Of course, that relates to the Iranian revolution, the Arab Spring and also the French and Russian revolutions. They are often begun by people with moderate, understandable demands and then radicalize the longer they drag on.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Wrong again.
The Persian caiphates were Theocratic Monarchies. They were based upon older Persian monarchies such as the Achaemenids I mentioned earlier. They adpoted the concept of "divine kingship" with a political bureaucracy, and Persian cultural traditions, using Persian models for governance.
The caliph was a divinely sanctioned, absolute ruler, mirroring the Persian concept of the "Shahanshah"..... The King of Kings.
Try again... I understand this stuff, and as a well known member of this forum sometimes says.. "You can Google for infomation, but you cannot Google for understanding."
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It started in Tunisia and so far it has led to more representative governance there so that should be considered a success in my view.
angrysoba
Philosophile
The Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates were Arab rulers, as I have already told you, not Persian!!!
I don't believe you understand this at all. Even the reference to Googling implies that that is how YOU get your information.
On the other hand, I have read a number of books about Iran, such as this one...
And what do we find on page 71 at the beginning of the chapter on Islam and Invasions: The Arabs, Turks and Mongols....
Look at the bit I have underlined where it says that the monarchy and Zoroastrian religion were swept away, while the language and Persian poetry survived.
On page 78-79, we read that Iran was ruled over by foreign rulers under the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates...
So why not stop with this posturing BS about how learned you are. I very much doubt anyone is taking your claims to expertise very seriously.
I don't claim to be any kind of expert either, but I obviously know more than you do, which is not difficult at all, to be fair.