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A question for Huntster.

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If the only way you could convert people to your religion was by using the threat of hell, would you think that is morally good?
 
clarsct said:
Um..he's been suspended...bump this in about three days...
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I noticed that he got suspended.. Do you know what for? I was reading the thread he was posting in this morning, and nothing crazy jumped out at me....

Just curious....
 
he got suspended?!

the whole religious/philosophical forum's gonna collapse.....everyone'll just be agreeing with each other :D
 
"Breaches of his membership agreement"

There's an announcement in the Forum Management section.
 
Pauliesonne said:
If the only way you could convert people to your religion was by using the threat of hell, would you think that is morally good?
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Nope.

I prefer seeking God's goodness, and appreciating the sacrifice of Christ and the prophets before (and since) Him.

It's not near as depressing as focusing on Hell.
 
Dear Huntster,

Rephrasing, then, you're saying that using the threat of Hell to gain converts is ("Nope") immoral. That, then, makes Jesus' threats about Hell themselves immoral. Why would Jesus speak such immorality? And who, other than yourself, decided it was immoral in the first place?

Cpl Ferro
 
Your divine prophets can kiss my ulster a** because.........

There are several mundane ways in which a prediction of the future can be fulfilled:

Retrodiction. The "prophecy" can be written or modified after the events fulfilling it have already occurred.

Vagueness. The prophecy can be worded in such a way that people can interpret any outcome as a fulfillment. Nostradomus's prophecies are all of this type. Vagueness works particularly well when people are religiously motivated to believe the prophecies.

Inevitability. The prophecy can predict something that is almost sure to happen, such as the collapse of a city. Since nothing lasts forever, the city is sure to fall someday. If it has not, it can be said that according to prophecy, it will.

Denial. One can claim that the fulfilling events occurred even if they have not. Or, more commonly, one can forget that the prophecy was ever made.

Self-fulfillment. A person can act deliberately to satisfy a known prophecy.

There are no prophecies in the Bible that cannot easily fit into one or more of those categories.

I got this from;

http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH110.html
 
CplFerro said:
Dear Huntster,

Rephrasing, then,...
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Dear CplFerro:

I wouldn't rephrase it in order to incriminate Jesus in anything, but I suppose you're free to do as you wish.

Sincerely Yours,

Huntster

...you're saying that using the threat of Hell to gain converts is ("Nope") immoral....
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No. Are you?

...That, then, makes Jesus' threats about Hell themselves immoral....
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Is that a fact, or is that how you wish it to appear?

Which "threats" were you writing of?

...Why would Jesus speak such immorality? And who, other than yourself, decided it was immoral in the first place?...
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Since it was you who decided that Jesus and I speak such immorality, why don't you determine for yourself who else does so?
 
Is that a fact, or is that how you wish it to appear?

Which "threats" were you writing of?
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I'm assuming that "None shall enter the kingdom of heaven except through me" could be an example of such a threat.
 
Do we have another Iacchus here, speaking in Christian tongues instead, or what? Jesus...

Cpl Ferro
 
I think this thread is silly. Let Huntster believe what he wants to believe. If he makes an assertion in another thread, challenge it there, or, if that discussion doesn't fit that thread, start a new one about it.

Starting a thread to challenge him on something he hadn't even claimed just so to attack his beliefs seems childish to me.

Now, Huntster knows I disagree with him alot, and I don't even respect him much, but I don't see how he deserves this in any way.
 
Roboramma said:
I think this thread is silly. Let Huntster believe what he wants to believe. If he makes an assertion in another thread, challenge it there, or, if that discussion doesn't fit that thread, start a new one about it.

Starting a thread to challenge him on something he hadn't even claimed just so to attack his beliefs seems childish to me.

Now, Huntster knows I disagree with him alot, and I don't even respect him much, but I don't see how he deserves this in any way.
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Thank you, Roboramma. I appreciate your wisdom.
 
Roboramma said:
Starting a thread to challenge him on something he hadn't even claimed just so to attack his beliefs seems childish to me.
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Ditto. To be fair, the first interaction I ever had with Hunster (that I recall) was in regards to the concept of hell and I got the impression that he was very much NOT saying that people who do not convert will burn in hell for eternity or anything like that. So while the question/criticism in the OP may apply to many other Christians, it does not apply to Huntster.
 
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