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A Question for Believers

CWL

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I made an attempt att posing this question before, but the thread in question seems to have vanished during the last few days in which the forum has been off line. Anyhow, here goes.

This is a question for you who confess belief in a god:

Do you believe that there is any particular evidence for the existence of the deity in which you confess belief, which (a) constitutes an important reason for your own belief; and (b) which you feel ought to be a convincing reason also for others?
 
TeaBag420 said:
Yes. God's hatred for Swedish people.
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We don't need him anyway. We've got free sex and high taxes to believe in.
 
That was a great thread CWL.. It was probably what made God ( or Satan pretending to be God ) crash the forum..

I'll get things rolling by pretending to believe in God..

O.K. What answer could I give you, that you would find compelling?
 
CWL said:


Do you believe that there is any particular evidence for the existence of the deity in which you confess belief, which (a) constitutes an important reason for your own belief; and (b) which you feel ought to be a convincing reason also for others?
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As I said before the problem with this question is that quite few christian groups (I don't know about other faiths) view faith as a gift from god. As such the only "reason" that you can have have is that god chose to give it to you.

The upshot of this is that you can blame god for making you an athiest
 
Now all of this is just spiffing guys, but I would really prefer if an actual believer had a go at my humble question.

Hello, Hello? Any believers out there?
 
CWL said:
Now all of this is just spiffing guys, but I would really prefer if an actual believer had a go at my humble question.

Hello, Hello? Any believers out there?
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They are out praying to discern the will of God about whether or not they should post in such a dangerous and Satanic thread as you've got here.

Some are checking their Pascal's Wager Manual for references and stop-those-atheists-in-their-unholy-tracks arguments.

Some might be polishing up the Irrational Rationalism argument to prove that your thread is a trick of Satan.

Some might be out listening for the trumpet blast.

Others are consulting Ron Wyatt's website, archeologist of God.
 
You got an answer from a beliver. Stop complaining.
 
geni said:
You got an answer from a beliver. Stop complaining.
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Not to the question I asked - or should I gather from the apparent silence of the believers (who at least venture to post in other threads of this forum) that there is no such thing as "any particular evidence for the existence of the deity in which you confess belief, which (a) constitutes an important reason for your own belief; and (b) which you feel ought to be a convincing reason also for others"?
 
Application of precepts with suggested results that are confirmed via experience.
 
CWL said:
Now all of this is just spiffing guys, but I would really prefer if an actual believer had a go at my humble question.

Hello, Hello? Any believers out there?
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Hey, CWL - there are believers here, including myself (misfit Xian); but, I usually get my a$$ kicked in this forum, so why bother posting?

I cannot offer any empirical evidence of God - to try to would be total folly. My experience as a Xian is very personal and deep, but I cannot provide the type of evidence people want here.

Nice of you to ask, tho...:)
 
CWL said:
Not to the question I asked - or should I gather from the apparent silence of the believers (who at least venture to post in other threads of this forum) that there is no such thing as "any particular evidence for the existence of the deity in which you confess belief, which (a) constitutes an important reason for your own belief; and (b) which you feel ought to be a convincing reason also for others"?
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I answered b. A differs from person to person and to be honest tracking down the source of belife is very very difficult.
 
geni said:
I answered b. A differs from person to person and to be honest tracking down the source of belife is very very difficult.
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I don't understand. How can the circumstance that (you believe) god "chose to give" fatih to you, constitute a reason for belief which you feel ought to be a convincing also for me?

I mean, he clearly did not "choose to give" faith to me... so where does that leave me with your answer?

Why is it so difficult to track down the source of your belief in god? I personally don't find it diffucult at all to track down the source of my own beliefs. I'm not being contentious, just trying to understand.
 
MLynn said:
Hey, CWL - there are believers here, including myself (misfit Xian); but, I usually get my a$$ kicked in this forum, so why bother posting?

I cannot offer any empirical evidence of God - to try to would be total folly. My experience as a Xian is very personal and deep, but I cannot provide the type of evidence people want here.

Nice of you to ask, tho...:)
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Again, just trying to understand. Thanks for your honest answer. :)
 
Why would what one holds as a belief, necessitate that the perceived reasons for such belief would be assumed to be compelling to another?
 
frisian said:
Why would what one holds as a belief, necessitate that the perceived reasons for such belief would be assumed to be compelling to another?
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If it's a compelling reason for you, why isn't it reasonable for you to assume that it is compelling also for me?
 
CWL said:
I mean, he clearly did not "choose to give" faith to me... so where's your reason?
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The whole point is that because god did not give you faith at the moment there is nothing I can say and do to change that. (Hmmm Jehovers witnesses clearly don't follow this one).

Why is it so difficult to track down the source of your belief in god? I personally don't find it diffucult at all to track down the source of my own beliefs. I'm not being contentious, just trying to understand.
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Because it's like trying to track down the source of my belife in the scientific method. I can't say this it the bit of evidence that makes me think it works or this is the paper I read that made the whole thing click
 
geni said:
I answered b. A differs from person to person and to be honest tracking down the source of belife is very very difficult.
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CWL is not asking for a source.

This question is so simple, but some people ( not necessarily you ) do not seem to get it..

The question is:

As a believer, what do you ( frisian, or anyone ) find so compelling, that you believe others would/should find compelling also?

An analogy would be:

" I believe in General Motors. I am compelled to believe this by the Buick sitting in my driveway.. ( As opposed to: " I read through an owners manual once.. ) "

So far no one has named anything tangible.


Being skeptical and such, appeals to authority and popularity do not count as tangible.
 
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