A political challenge...

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I'm in a debate on a more conservative forum; and over there it seems to be an axiom that liberals have more hate-filled rhetoric than conservatives.

Having challenged that point to argue that there is childishness and hateful words on both sides substituting for reasoned debate, I have been given a list of quotes to match.

Can anyone help point me to comments of similar viciousness made by conservatives? I've found some already--you don't have to be liberal to help me here, just willing to help me prove it's not one-sided.

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do of heart disease.. . . He's an absolutely reprehensible person."
-- Julianne Malveaux, Pacifica Radio talk show host, on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas

"Would it really be a bad idea if Rush Limbaugh got cancer of the mouth?"
-- Men's Fitness, May 1995, p20, article on cigar smoking

"I'll be watching, hoping someone shoots him. It would no doubt be a thrill."
-- Abraham Polonsky, blacklisted for his Communist sympathies in the 1950s, re Elia

Kazan's Lifetime Achievement award "Whenever I hear Trent Lott speak, I immediately think of nooses decorating trees. Big trees, with black bodies swinging."
-- Los Angeles Times, Karen Grigsby Bates

"I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will."
-- Nina Totenberg re Sen. Jesse Helms

(Selecting Ashcroft resembled) "the way Ku Klux Klan members worked to improve race relations: They, too, reached out to blacks with nooses and burning crosses."
-- Rep. William Clay of Missouri re George W. Bush's talk of outreach to black Americans

"I am thinking to myself in other countries they are laughing at us twenty four hours a day and I'm thinking to myself if we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together, [starts to shout] all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! [crowd cheers] Wait! Shut up! Shut up! No shut up! I'm not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we'd kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families."
-- Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien show, 12/11/1998
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I've admitted that much of what's quoted here is appalling and that I don't defend it...AND that I don't particularly care to compare the worst of rhetoric both sides... but he specifically denies that there is any parity of invective and has challenged me for evidence in the form of other similarly vicious quotes from the other side.
 
Well, I'm sure you could get a comparable list from Ann Coulter alone, but if you're looking for variety of sources, I dunno.
 
"Would it really be a bad idea if Rush Limbaugh got cancer of the mouth?"
-- Men's Fitness, May 1995, p20, article on cigar smoking
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I would suggest that "Men's Fitness" (I assume this is a magazine?) is neither liberal nor conservative. I suspect they were writing some sort of anti-smoking article.

Just a guess.
 
I am SO hoping not to snarl this thread into a debate about the individual quotes... I just need a similar list of garbage to hand back as evidences.

Why someone would honestly need evidence that more than one side are losers is beyond me, but I aim to provide.
 
BPSCG said:
Well, I'm sure you could get a comparable list from Ann Coulter alone, but if you're looking for variety of sources, I dunno.
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I'm definitely starting there. Her and Savage should help me out a lot on this.
 
gnome said:
I'm definitely starting there. Her and Savage should help me out a lot on this.
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Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, too. Boortz occasionally refers to Hillary Clinton as "Hitlary" and "Hildebeast."
 
Also google phrases such as:

  • "moonbat" (used to describe any liberal, socialist, pacifist, or anarchist)
  • "useful idiots" (any critic of the Bush administration who isn't a "moonbat")
 
Cleon said:
Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, too. Boortz occasionally refers to Hillary Clinton as "Hitlary" and "Hildebeast."
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Those would be good places to mine some conservative hate.

However, one of the conservatives on that forum might point out DU, Daily KOS, or Huffington Post and the argument would be irrevocably lost.

The best you can hope for is to point out the copious rhetoric of the right when the political situation was reversed and Clinton was in office. Rhetoric is primarily output from the political ideology not currently in power because it's easier for many to take cheapshots than it is to actually discuss issues in a level-headed manner.
 
Apollyon said:
Those would be good places to mine some conservative hate.

However, one of the conservatives on that forum might point out DU, Daily KOS, or Huffington Post and the argument would be irrevocably lost.

The best you can hope for is to point out the copious rhetoric of the right when the political situation was reversed and Clinton was in office. Rhetoric is primarily output from the political ideology not currently in power because it's easier for many to take cheapshots than it is to actually discuss issues in a level-headed manner.
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That stuff will be fair game because some of the challengers' material is from the 90s too.

My intention is to compose a similar list. At this point he'll probably try to say that his list is worse than mine. My plan is to point out that it's about as silly as jumping into a child's argument of whether "doo-doo-head" or "fart-face" is more insulting.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I would suggest that "Men's Fitness" (I assume this is a magazine?) is neither liberal nor conservative. I suspect they were writing some sort of anti-smoking article.

Just a guess.
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If the magazine is not partisan, it's likely that specific writer is.
 
Mycroft said:
If the magazine is not partisan, it's likely that specific writer is.
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Not really. Lads mags tend to have a "sod everyone who isn't us" atitude. Rush is the most prominant talk radio guy which may have been why he was the target of that comment.
 
August 26, 1994 - Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches.


G Gordon Liddy, 1994.



The first quote in the list from the OP reminds me of a famous Churchill anecdote. Many of you will know it, but for those who don't, you'll like it. Churchill was approached by a female member of the House of Commons, a liberal, who said, "Mr. Churchill, you are a horrible man. If you were my husband, I would poison your coffee." He replied, "Madame, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
 
gnome said:
I'm in a debate on a more conservative forum; and over there it seems to be an axiom that liberals have more hate-filled rhetoric than conservatives.

Having challenged that point to argue that there is childishness and hateful words on both sides substituting for reasoned debate, I have been given a list of quotes to match.

Can anyone help point me to comments of similar viciousness made by conservatives? I've found some already--you don't have to be liberal to help me here, just willing to help me prove it's not one-sided.


I've admitted that much of what's quoted here is appalling and that I don't defend it...AND that I don't particularly care to compare the worst of rhetoric both sides... but he specifically denies that there is any parity of invective and has challenged me for evidence in the form of other similarly vicious quotes from the other side.
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You've been given some good starting points. I'll also say to find quotes by Pat Robertson, R J Rushdoony, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps, Ralph Reed, Randall Terry, Tony Perkins, George Grant, D. James Kennedy, Gary North, Tom Delay, Billy Sunday. Point out that these people have made many hateful and anti-american statements.

Keep us posted on your progress.
 
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Meadmaker said:
August 26, 1994 - Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches.


G Gordon Liddy, 1994.
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Ironically, he later retracted this.

Oh, not the way you're thinking.

He was told by law enforcement and military people that, even if your target has a bullet proof vest on, you still shoot for the body. The reason being that hitting the head is a difficult thing to do and you're far more likely to hit the body. But even with a bullet proof vest, the guy'll be stunned and probably knocked down and out of the fight for the duration. People shot in a bullet proof vest still suffer one hell of a bruise and sometimes broken ribs.

So he retracted "shoot in for the head" to "shoot for the body" as the correct tactical decision for that situation.
 
Good old G. Gordon also once said that, during Watergate, they were trying to set up a houseboat in Florida with prostitutes to try to lure high Democrats down there, film them, then blackmail them. He also said they should have probably killed some of the people involved in Watergate to get it shut down. I don't recall if it was principals, reporters, or what. But it sounded pretty stupid so he may have been just beakin' off.
 
Meadmaker said:
"Mr. Churchill, you are a horrible man. If you were my husband, I would poison your coffee." He replied, "Madame, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
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Actually, that's a commonly-held misconception. The way it actually went was, "...I would poison your coffee." Churchill replied, "And if you were my wife, I'd beat the $h!t out of you."

It's true! :)
 
Cleon said:
Also google phrases such as:
  • "moonbat" (used to describe any liberal, socialist, pacifist, or anarchist)
  • "useful idiots" (any critic of the Bush administration who isn't a "moonbat")
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I don't think this is a very good comparison. If you read through gnome's list of quotes, you'll see that almost every single one of them (the Ashcroft one excepted) expressed a desire that some individual would suffer a gruesome, painful death. For something comparable, you'd have to look for conservatives wishing Hillary Clinton would get breast cancer, or John Kerry had died of gangrene from his Vietnam wounds, etc.
 
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