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A paranomal event?

davidsmith73

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This is true and happened last week.
A friend of mine (refered to as Peter) very recently had to experience the passing away of an ex-girlfriend he still loves (refered to as Jane), due to terminal illness. It was unsurprisingly not a pleasant experience for everyone concerned. Peter used to live with his parents when he first got together with Jane. They spent their first night together in his parents and thereafter Jane would regularly visit and spend time around the house, particularly in the lounge playing the piano with Peter and also helping with cooking. Perhaps they had their happiest times at this early stage in the relationship. The split was not a good one such that, upon Peter hearing about Jane's illness, Peter felt he had to talk to her and make his peace before she died.

Peter was telephoned by Jane's mother on Wednesday to tell him the bad news. She had died peacefully on the Monday. What he subsequently found out was that on the previous three nights before she died, there had been some strange (or perhaps not) occurances at his parents house (he was not there when this happened)

His parents have a routine that they have performed for years when they go to bed at night. They turn off all the lights and lock all the doors, including the doors to the lounge and kitchen (to stop their dogs from getting in there). He insisted to me that they never fail to do this. For three consequitive mornings before Jane died, Peter's mother found that the doors to the lounge (where the piano) and kitchen were unlocked and lights were on in each. Also on one morning the extractor fan was on in the kitchen. Peter attaches significance to this by the fact that Jane did alot of cooking in the house.

Peter is well aware of the possibility that his parents simply forgot to finish their routine each night. However he also feels that it's possible that Jane was involved somehow, whether he calls it her spirit, ghost, I don't know. I'm undecided on the issue. The fact that his parents apparently never fail to lock the doors and turn off the lights, together with the timing of these events makes me wonder. Any thoughts?
 
davidsmith73 said:
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For three consequitive mornings before Jane died, Peter's mother found that the doors to the lounge (where the piano) and kitchen were unlocked and lights were on in each. Also on one morning the extractor fan was on in the kitchen. Peter attaches significance to this by the fact that Jane did alot of cooking in the house.

Peter is well aware of the possibility that his parents simply forgot to finish their routine each night. However he also feels that it's possible that Jane was involved somehow, whether he calls it her spirit, ghost, I don't know. I'm undecided on the issue. The fact that his parents apparently never fail to lock the doors and turn off the lights, together with the timing of these events makes me wonder. Any thoughts?
Why would he think that Jane's ghost was involved when this happened before she died?
 
The fact that his parents apparently never fail to lock the doors and turn off the lights, together with the timing of these events makes me wonder. Any thoughts?
If their daughter is on the verge of dying then I am sure those poor parents were hardly in any frame of mind to be sure whether they had completed their daily routines or not.

And also if this happened before the girl died then why would it be her 'spirit' doing this?

Surely it is much more likely that grief stricken parents lost track of what they were doing. In such circumstances I am fairly sure I would not be able to concentrate on anything I was doing.
 
Ashles said:
If their daughter is on the verge of dying then I am sure those poor parents were hardly in any frame of mind to be sure whether they had completed their daily routines or not.

Wrong parents. But, yeah, why would this be ghostly if it was before her death. If it was astral projection or whatever, why wouldn't she follow Peter?
 
davidsmith73 said:
This is true and happened last week.
A friend of mine (refered to as Peter) very recently had to experience the passing away of an ex-girlfriend he still loves (refered to as Jane), due to terminal illness. It was unsurprisingly not a pleasant experience for everyone concerned. Peter used to live with his parents when he first got together with Jane. They spent their first night together in his parents and thereafter Jane would regularly visit and spend time around the house, particularly in the lounge playing the piano with Peter and also helping with cooking. Perhaps they had their happiest times at this early stage in the relationship. The split was not a good one such that, upon Peter hearing about Jane's illness, Peter felt he had to talk to her and make his peace before she died.

Peter was telephoned by Jane's mother on Wednesday to tell him the bad news. She had died peacefully on the Monday. What he subsequently found out was that on the previous three nights before she died, there had been some strange (or perhaps not) occurances at his parents house (he was not there when this happened)

His parents have a routine that they have performed for years when they go to bed at night. They turn off all the lights and lock all the doors, including the doors to the lounge and kitchen (to stop their dogs from getting in there). He insisted to me that they never fail to do this. For three consequitive mornings before Jane died, Peter's mother found that the doors to the lounge (where the piano) and kitchen were unlocked and lights were on in each. Also on one morning the extractor fan was on in the kitchen. Peter attaches significance to this by the fact that Jane did alot of cooking in the house.

Peter is well aware of the possibility that his parents simply forgot to finish their routine each night. However he also feels that it's possible that Jane was involved somehow, whether he calls it her spirit, ghost, I don't know. I'm undecided on the issue. The fact that his parents apparently never fail to lock the doors and turn off the lights, together with the timing of these events makes me wonder. Any thoughts?

What's there to think about?

You have a hearsay anecdote thrice removed. You weren't there and didn't witness anything. The person who told you about it wasn't there and didn't witness anything.

We have to accept Peter's "interpretation" of events. In particular that his parents never fail to close doors etc., and that they always do that for certain even when he isn't there. The fact that he "knows" this alone qualifies as "paranormal".

The words "Peter attaches significance to this by the fact...etc.," is telling. He's looking for an association no matter how tenuous.

Who checked the electrics for faults etc? What actions were taken to check other hypotheses or explanations?

In short, there is nothing here. No evidence, no investigation. Just an ad hoc hypothesis related by hearsay.
 
Yaotl said:
Wrong parents. But, yeah, why would this be ghostly if it was before her death. If it was astral projection or whatever, why wouldn't she follow Peter?

Ghost, spirit, astral projection, it doesn't matter which term we use. The idea would be that during Jane's last days she somehow caused these events to happen even though her physical body was not there. Why before her death? I don't know. Perhaps her emotional state of mind and what she was thinking about during her last days or last moments was a factor.

I was wondering if anyone else has had similar events happen?
 
Wrong parents
Oh yeah. Oops.

See that's a perfect example of why anecdotal evidence is so useless - I managed to change the story in my mind since the start of the thread.

The idea would be that during Jane's last days she somehow caused these events to happen even though her physical body was not there.
Yes, either that or they didn't follow their routine as closely as usual.
Or this has happened several times before but it was only particularly remembered this time because they connected it with Jane's death.

Or are we to assume that spirits (of people still alive!) can pick locks?
 
Ashles said:

Yes, either that or they didn't follow their routine as closely as usual.
Or this has happened several times before but it was only particularly remembered this time because they connected it with Jane's death.

Or are we to assume that spirits (of people still alive!) can pick locks?

I tend to agree with you. I suppose I'm more willing to keep an open mind about the paranormal possibility though. But like you said, the fact that the events were physical (lights on, doors unlocked) makes the paranormal interpretation perhaps even less plausible.
 
Had they awoken next day to find the furniture upside down in the lounge and the door handles missing,then Id put it on the market sharp and give Jay Anson a call.

Cancel that Jay Anson is dead(not that that is a hinderance these days);)
 

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