A few reasons people shot other people in Oct,. 2014

[Nessie]

I backed up the claim, and you moved the goalposts. Burden of proof is yours now.

No I asked you about drunks, angry people etc from the start

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10323731#post10323731

You only answered about criminals.

That's not the reverse of what I said. When 25% of all felonies are committed by people under 21 it's very likely those older have previous felonies on their records.

This "Generally a person's life of crime doesn't start after the age of 21, when they are legal to buy a handgun." is different from this "Since 25% of all violent felony convictions are committed by people under 21 I think it's safe to say criminal careers start when people are young. "

 

[Nessie]

I don't carry but what I see in a lot of Europeans posts is the inverse of the old "If you have a hammer, everything you see looks like a nail", i.e. "If you are forbidden a hammer, you deny that there are any nails".

Where in Europe are law abiding, sensible people forbidden to have guns?

 

[BStrong]

How are gun owners restricting anyone else's freedom?

It's very simple once you understand the basics.

If an individual chooses not to have a firearm, and lives in fear of their life that a responsible gun owner will injure and/or kill them or their loved ones, that is a reasonable and understandable fear that should be immediately addressed by the government taking steps to curb civilian firearms ownership.

If you are a responsible gun owner and qualify under local statutes to carry a firearm concealed or otherwise on your person while out in public you are not acting responsibly or reasonably, and furthermore it's a well known fact that an individual's chances of becoming a crime victim is very low and that you also will be unable to deal with a violent criminal threat because you are not prepared mentally or tactically to do so.

That is what I've learned from this and other forums.

 

[WildCat]

I would not visit that restaurant. Not out of fear as you suggest, but because I would not want to support a restaurant with such a policy by giving it my money.

Are you suggesting that I shouldn't feel safe at any gun-free location, because there is a risk that someone might suddenly crash through the front door in a pickup truck and start shooting?

I think you're a parody. And not a very good one either. I just can't believe that someone can hold these opinions and still function in modern society.

Why would you feel any safer at a "gun free zone" restaurant? Do you think murderers look at the "no guns" sign, shrug their shoulders and walk away?

 

[WildCat]

Curious. Why does the waiting period make gun shows pointless? (I've been to a few but never purchased.)

Because I'm not going to drive 1, 2, or 3 hours one way to a gun show in hopes of finding something I'd like, only to have to drive a potentially greater distance 1 or 3 days later to pick it up.

The waiting periods are stupid, especially for people who already own firearms or FOID card that already took 30+ days to get.

 

[WildCat]

Lol that's rich coming from a guy who, even after being asked 3 times, refuses to support his claim with evidence. Then to top it off, when I provide evidence he refutes it with adhoms and hand waving.

Not going to be much evidence of police arresting criminals openly carrying firearms if it doesn't happen, isn't it?

It should, however, be easy for you to show it happens if in fact it does happen.

 

[WildCat]

I am a European with dual nationality and have no right to carry a weapon under either jurisdiction, but I like most Europeans wonder what are Americans so afraid of that they feel the need to want this "freedom".

Do Europeans not get raped, robbed, assaulted, etc?

 

[WildCat]

This is a good a place as any for this.

Bad news for John Lott fans.

More guns, more crime: New research debunks a central thesis of the gun rights movement



Quick! Someone write some letters to their representatives! Fire up the NRA noise machine!

Already responded to that in another thread.

I'm not at all impressed by that study, for example it claims to adjust numbers for the crack cocaine epidemic of the 1980s and 1990s but is silent about the meth epidemic of the 1990s and 2000s.

Also, it suggests no mechanism as to why people lawfully carrying firearms causes others to commit murder and assault. It certainly doesn't tie any of their claimed increases to people lawfully carrying and then committing crimes.

So, meh.

 

[arthwollipot]

No you don't.

Well, maybe if you do you are just seeing what you want to see. I would characterise it as "If you are forbidden a hammer, there are far fewer nails around, because everyone else is forbidden a hammer too".

Actually, (at least here in Australia) if your job requires you to have a hammer - if you're a builder or a carpenter, for example - you're allowed to have a hammer. Professional shooters are allowed to have guns, but they have to be able to demonstrate good reason.

Why would you feel any safer at a "gun free zone" restaurant? Do you think murderers look at the "no guns" sign, shrug their shoulders and walk away?

It's not that I feel safer at a gun free restaurant, it's that I would feel less safe at a gun friendly restaurant. Gun free is the default state. Where there are no guns, there is zero chance of getting shot. Adding just one gun to that increases the chance of being shot to non-zero.