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A DNA database question: For solving crimes.

Caper

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Ok. People know about this stuff better then I do, so here I turn.

I was watching some stories on the upcoming anniversary of the murder of Jon Bennett Ramsey. It's been almost 20 years. The issue I am wondering about is this. Apparently there was DNA of an unknown male that may belong to the killer. Identifying that male would probably help in solving the case or excluding the suspect. Now if he was in a database he would probably be matched right now. I'd imagine the DNA bases that are out there are huge. If not a match could the DNA be matched to a closest match? Or am I way off base here? I'm operating on the assumption that at least everyone has a 5th cousin that's in the database. I am just wondering if you could find a closest match to narrow your search and from there prob family lines to keep narrowing the search, until inevitably you find the source of the DNA.

I have little idea if this is at all possible, so I defer to others much smarter then I.
 
Ok. People know about this stuff better then I do, so here I turn.

I was watching some stories on the upcoming anniversary of the murder of Jon Bennett Ramsey. It's been almost 20 years. The issue I am wondering about is this. Apparently there was DNA of an unknown male that may belong to the killer. Identifying that male would probably help in solving the case or excluding the suspect. Now if he was in a database he would probably be matched right now. I'd imagine the DNA bases that are out there are huge. If not a match could the DNA be matched to a closest match? Or am I way off base here? I'm operating on the assumption that at least everyone has a 5th cousin that's in the database. I am just wondering if you could find a closest match to narrow your search and from there prob family lines to keep narrowing the search, until inevitably you find the source of the DNA.

I have little idea if this is at all possible, so I defer to others much smarter then I.

This requires a bit of explanation of what these DNA databases contain in the first place. The sequences you look for are deliberately chosen for many parameters, one of which is that they can't be used to identify phenotype traits, such as skin color.

The kits used actually determine the number of repeats of four nucleotides that appear all over the genome. It turns out the number of repeats doesn't tell you anything particular about the individual (in most cases, it is linked to various diseases in some cases, but that's besides the point and the genes chosen aren't linked to those diseases anyway), but there is sufficient variability between individuals and the sequences are short enough to be used for forensics (100-300 bp) and have other desirable properties. You inherit two copies of each repeat from each parent, so you generate two signals from each locus, one came from mother and the other from father. It is random which variant you get, if mother has 7 and 9 repeats on a locus and father has 8 and 9 on that locus, the possibilities for kids are: 7,8; 7,9; 8,7; 9,9.

The consequence of this is that if a couple has four kids, they can in theory each have a different set of signals on a particular locus and won't even know it unless they test it. For one locus that's not even particularly unlikely. Two kids of any couple do not necessarily have any same signals on any locus or combination of loci, including all of them. Forensic kits use 12-18 loci, which is enough to identify and individual to absolute certainty (i.e. you'd expect 1 in 1013 or more individuals to have that particular combination, which makes it all but impossible someone with the exact same profile existed within the human population), but they're insufficient to categorize blood relations, except sometimes to exclude them. You can't even tell if DNA came from someones' kid to a degree that would be useful in court, except in special cases you can't even say two random individuals aren't related with normal kits. Y-chromosome and mitochondrial profiles fare somewhat better there, but not enough to say they are related, you can just exclude it with adequate certainty in most cases. Showing they are related is an order of magnitude more difficult

Parent determination uses the exact same principle, but it uses a much larger number of loci - 50 or more. This is possible because forensic kits will necessarily have to work with old, degraded DNA much of the time and with limited samples, whereas parent determination works with fresh samples of virtually unlimited quantity, so they have much greater flexibility in which genes to choose from and can also work with much longer fragments. However that would still be grossly insufficient to determine a 5th cousin - barring severe inbreeding for at least five generations :) Genetics is fun.

For your use there is a possibility of profiling the Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA and then find the individuals' parents - the first one determines the father to some marginal likelihood, the second one the mother to about 1 in 1000, then look for a combination that could match. This would require profiling the entire population first though, you'd be better off profiling everyone with the forensic kit from the start. The costs of running one sample are in the hundreds of dollars, so I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

McHrozni
 
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There was a case of a murder going unsolved here in the UK for many years. DNA samples were kept from the scene but could not be matched to any individual. Years later, a woman was charged with a completely unrelated crime, and as is routine, DNA samples were taken from her. Completely unexpectedly, they turned out to be a close familial match for the earlier murder. The killer proved to be this woman's father, who confessed to the murder.

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There was a case of a murder going unsolved here in the UK for many years. DNA samples were kept from the scene but could not be matched to any individual. Years later, a woman was charged with a completely unrelated crime, and as is routine, DNA samples were taken from her. Completely unexpectedly, they turned out to be a close familial match for the earlier murder. The killer proved to be this woman's father, who confessed to the murder.

ETA: link

One thing I probably should add is that parent-child relationship are something you can establish to a useful degree of confidence using forensic tests. Useful in this case doesn't mean as something that will stand in court (barring having a very rare alele), but rather as a lead that could be useful to investigate further, as happened in this case.

The whole thing works for parent-child, is nearly useless for grandparent-grandchild, and usefulness drops quickly after that - again unless there is a very rare variant present, in which case the whole picture can change entirely.

McHrozni
 
One thing I probably should add is that parent-child relationship are something you can establish to a useful degree of confidence using forensic tests. Useful in this case doesn't mean as something that will stand in court (barring having a very rare alele), but rather as a lead that could be useful to investigate further, as happened in this case.

The whole thing works for parent-child, is nearly useless for grandparent-grandchild, and usefulness drops quickly after that - again unless there is a very rare variant present, in which case the whole picture can change entirely.

McHrozni

Craig Harman got caught because of a match to his brother.
 
Craig Harman got caught because of a match to his brother.

There are problems with older cases. For example, prior to a police force adopting DNA testing, they would not have procedures designed to reduce the chance of cross contamination. There are cases where a 'suspect' matched DNA on evidence, because the suspect had been in a previous arrest, and police used the same fingerprint duster from case to case - they spreads DNA from one case's evidence to the rest of their cases that week.

DNA is also very vulnerable to 'interpretation' in the same bucket as bite marks. When the analyst says there's a match, they sometimes mean they are pretty sure there's a match, in their professional experience. There were maybe 50 sets of DNA on the evidence, half may be noise, so they amplified the signal a few million times, which is nonstandard, and it's impossible to say which allele combination was 'per person,' but the suspect's combination did come up in the soup, so: hey, they got a match eventually after playing around with the results. Just what the prosecution pays them for.
 

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