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2nd Hand Smoke

Dylab

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Does anyone know what the studies of the relation of 2nd hand smoke and cancer say? Penn & Teller's show "◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊" is doing a show on it this week and the preview seems pretty surprising.
 
Sorry, I don't have any links to any studies, but I believe that it cannot be linked unless it's indoors.
 
Dylab said:
Does anyone know what the studies of the relation of 2nd hand smoke and cancer say? Penn & Teller's show "◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊" is doing a show on it this week and the preview seems pretty surprising.

I've always found it bizarre that Penn frowns upon liquor consumption, but then turns around and smokes.

Strange.
 
I don't have time to do it myself but try a search for "passive smoking" at www.bmj.com for a start.

As far as I can remember there have been studies done with conflicting results, none conclusive. This is a particularly difficult problem to study as smoking related illnesses take years to develop and there are many other causes and many other factors involved (family genetics, lifestyle, occupation etc.).

Having your clothes smell like ◊◊◊◊ and sore eyes and throat are more clear cut reasons to avoid passive smoking, eh?
 
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Valmorian said:
I've always found it bizarre that Penn frowns upon liquor consumption, but then turns around and smokes.

In How to play in traffic P&T write that they smoke only on stage, not outside it. Their explanation for this is that there are many good tricks with cigarettes that they want to perform.
 
Dear Cecil:

Having recently debunked the Super Bowl Sunday violence story, perhaps you could check into this secondhand smoke business. I seem to remember that after the initial study came out blaming secondhand cigarette smoke for every kind of ill, this study was found to be seriously flawed. Is this another case like the "LSD causes chromosome damage" study? --Rick Remaley, Chicago


Cecil replies:

Sure, what the hell, why not insinuate myself into yet another hot-button topic? Then I'll be ready to take on gun control, abortion, and which are smarter, cats or dogs.

Let me begin by saying that I'm allergic to tobacco smoke, and laws against smoking in public places have personally benefited me. In principle I don't have a problem with banning public smoking: it's an annoyance to nonsmokers and a danger to vulnerable folk such as asthmatics, children, and the elderly. All that having been said, the claim that "environmental tobacco smoke" (ETS) seriously threatens the health of the general public, and in particular that it causes lung cancer, is unproven at best.

...[snippit]...


The Straight Dope, for all your scientific needs! :D

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000602.html
 
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LW said:


In How to play in traffic P&T write that they smoke only on stage, not outside it. Their explanation for this is that there are many good tricks with cigarettes that they want to perform.

Yeah, I've read that as well, although I'm confused about why Penn is smoking in "Penn and Teller get Killed" even though he performs no trick with the cigarette.
 
Not so much tricks with cigarettes, as cigarettes as tools of misdirection, I suspect.
 
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Valmorian said:


I've always found it bizarre that Penn frowns upon liquor consumption, but then turns around and smokes.

Strange.


Is is probably just for his image or persona.
 
children and second hand smoke

I knew my daughters pediatrician always asks parents if they smoke. She also asks if the family uses a wood stove. Then she writes it in the kids file. She claimed when I asked her that kids in smoking households have more upper resp. infections. But, I just took her word for it, and didn't ask for proof
 
The health benifits of smoking tobacco are not widely understood. Throughout history man has used tobacco as an important aid to healthy living.

Quoted from "Medicine Through Time, A BBC site.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/medi...am/inamgs.shtml



"Chewing tobacco was believed to protect against the Plague and in 1774 a tobacco resuscitator kit was invented. This was used to blow tobacco smoke up the patient's anus, nose or mouth to revive 'persons apparently dead'. Tobacco enemas to loosen the bowels were popular into the early nineteenth century. they were used to treat anyone who caught the dreaded cholera disease."


From Jarvik, British Journal of Addiction, 1991

"the many positive aspects of this wonder drug. "When chronically taken," it says, "nicotine may result in: (1) positive reinforcement [it makes you feel good], (2) negative reinforcement [it may keep you from feeling bad], (3) reduction of body weight [by reducing appetite and increasing metabolic rate], (4) enhancement of performance, and protection against: (5) Parkinson's disease, (6) Tourette's disease [tics], (7) Alzheimer's disease, (8) ulcerative colitis and (9) sleep apnea. The reliability of these effects varies greatly but justifies the search for more therapeutic applications for this interesting compound."


So Throw off your skeptical thoughts and smoke your way to good health!
 
You know Fool, I have a bone to pick with you. I've been smoking all damn day and I STILL have Plague!
 
Plutarck said:
You know Fool, I have a bone to pick with you. I've been smoking all damn day and I STILL have Plague!

Did you read what he said and blow it up your arse?
 
Plutarck said:


Well, I figured "If it worked to cure my cholera"...

A counselor at summer camp tried to send me to the neighboring cabin to obtain a "left-handed smoke-bender." I asked if he was on drugs.
 
I'm interested in the actual detriment of second hand smoke as well. Up here in Canada health services has put out a huge campaign on TV, movie previews about the long-term life threatening affects of second hand smoke. It most likely doesn't do anything positive for you, but I wonder just how dangerous it actually is.
 
well, according to the Penn and teller show they just did on Second Hand smoke the study that all the anti-smoking groups use as evidence was severely flawed. the EPA (environmental protection agency here in the states) in their report "cherry-picked" information to skew the stats to show 3000 deaths a year due to second hand smoke. Some anti-smoking groups seem to arbitrarily pick a number, say 50,000 or 100,000 deaths a year to put in their literature w/o any science to back it up. More reliable studies say the increase is statistically insignificant, something like 2.5 extra lung cancer deaths per 1,000,000 people. Again, all this info is from the TV show i watched last night.

i hate smoking. detest it. i'm glad here in nyc they are banning smoking in clubs and restaurants. so second hand smoke probably wont give me cancer anyway but i hate coming home smelling like an ashtray. plus it's hard to enjoy food with someone smoking next to you. if i'm wrong for curbing someone's rights for my comfort so be it. i'm sure a lot of smokers would bitch and complain if i lit up a cigar or some incense next to them while theyre trying to eat a sandwich.
 
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Valmorian said:
I've always found it bizarre that Penn frowns upon liquor consumption, but then turns around and smokes.

P&T only smoke onstage whenever it's part of a trick.
 
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Valmorian said:
Yeah, I've read that as well, although I'm confused about why Penn is smoking in "Penn and Teller get Killed" even though he performs no trick with the cigarette.

Uh, because it's a movie?
 

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