2024 GOP Big Ideas

[Ranb]

These are some of the the big ideas Republicans are pushing for 2024

1. A ‘mental competency’ test for candidates over 75
2. Raise the voting age
3. Raise the retirement age to save Social Security and Medicare
4. End birthright citizenship
5. Build ‘freedom cities’ and develop flying cars
6. Repeal sentencing reform

I would not object to a mental competency test, if it actually worked, and was for all candidates.

I would prefer the voting age be lowered than raised. Allowing the military to vote at age 18 and not others, reeks of Starship Trooper crap.

I would prefer to see Social Security not taxed for middle and lower income retirees, and the wealthiest not get any SS at all.

Good luck amending the Constitution to revoke birthright citizenship and raising the voting age.

I can see these "freedom cities" being another place for rich landlords to build company towns to fleece their workers.

The US has no business imposing the death penalty when we suck at making sure people are not wrongly convicted.

Ranb

 

[shemp]

Yeah, I don't see anything in there about increasing taxes on the rich and cutting out loopholes that benefit them. Just the usual ********.

 

[Trebuchet]

They don't have to ammendment the constitution to end birthright citizenship, 5 of 9 on the current SCOTUS will happily do what their racist masters order.

 

[Sherkeu]

They don't have to ammendment the constitution to end birthright citizenship, 5 of 9 on the current SCOTUS will happily do what their racist masters order.

Anchor babies are bad incentives. My daughters school has had Chinese kids in her class (in younger years) and they'd stay a month or 2. The mom has come over just to give birth, then return to China. It is quite a lucrative industry and not available to poorer Chinese for sure- or those, with relatives living here, who have been on the "legal" immigration list for a decade or more and are still waiting. Some pregnant women just walk across, then go back to Mexico.

It seem like this was not the spirit of the law when it was first enacted.

Hardly racist. Applies to all countries and ethnicities...but some people are more able to game the system than others.

Thats the only point on the list that I'd agree with. Perhaps living in SoCal with immigrant post ww2 parents and a mixed race child...all legally done in proper channels with some hardship to it...gives a certain perspective to it.

eta: if repealing sentencing reform means people are not given a day or a week of jail after violent crimes, or with long arrest histories, let out with a 'ticket', then I think there needs to be some thought on that.
Every state had their own rules though so it isnt a national platform really.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Anchor babies are bad incentives. My daughters school has had Chinese kids in her class (in younger years) and they'd stay a month or 2. The mom has come over just to give birth, then return to China. It is quite a lucrative industry and not available to poorer Chinese for sure- or those, with relatives living here, who have been on the "legal" immigration list for a decade or more and are still waiting. Some pregnant women just walk across, then go back to Mexico.

It seem like this was not the spirit of the law when it was first enacted.

Hardly racist. Applies to all countries and ethnicities...but some people are more able to game the system than others.

Thats the only point on the list that I'd agree with. Perhaps living in SoCal with immigrant post ww2 parents and a mixed race child...all legally done in proper channels with some hardship to it...gives a certain perspective to it.

Playing by the rules.

ETA. Perhaps there needs to be something about residency involved.

Then there's John McCain. Was he really a "natural born" American citizen?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/

 

[Sherkeu]

Playing by the rules.

ETA. Perhaps there needs to be something about residency involved.

Then there's John McCain. Was he really a "natural born" American citizen?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/

Poor argument. Really really bad argument. US citizens are all over the place.
His parents were US citizens.

If I traveled and had my daughter early, she'd still be a US citizen. If I was stationed in Germany, or Korea, or Japan for the US govt, she is a US citizen. I doubt the place where she was actually born would give her rights to full citizenship there.

How many western countries do that?

 

[lobosrul5]

Anchor babies are bad incentives. My daughters school has had Chinese kids in her class (in younger years) and they'd stay a month or 2. The mom has come over just to give birth, then return to China. It is quite a lucrative industry and not available to poorer Chinese for sure- or those, with relatives living here, who have been on the "legal" immigration list for a decade or more and are still waiting. Some pregnant women just walk across, then go back to Mexico.

It seem like this was not the spirit of the law when it was first enacted.

Hardly racist. Applies to all countries and ethnicities...but some people are more able to game the system than others.

Thats the only point on the list that I'd agree with. Perhaps living in SoCal with immigrant post ww2 parents and a mixed race child...all legally done in proper channels with some hardship to it...gives a certain perspective to it.

eta: if repealing sentencing reform means people are not given a day or a week of jail after violent crimes, or with long arrest histories, let out with a 'ticket', then I think there needs to be some thought on that.
Every state had their own rules though so it isnt a national platform really.

The main reason Chinese mothers have kids here is to circumvent the one child policy. There was also a crackdown on it some years ago, and we deny visas when that motivation is suspected.

 

[Sherkeu]

The main reason Chinese mothers have kids here is to circumvent the one child policy. There was also a crackdown on it some years ago, and we deny visas when that motivation is suspected.

These people can pay the Chinese fine. My kids school had plenty of chinese parents, the majority in fact, born in China. Forgive me if I believe them over your reasons.
Maybe they are judging in error and lying to me.

But you tell me what it should be so as not to give an incentive to women just coming to give birth here to get birth rights for their kids without any immigration status. Or perhaps you think it is perfectly fine. I dont.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Poor argument. Really really bad argument. US citizens are all over the place.
His parents were US citizens.

Sure. But was he "naturally born" one? His place of birth was Panama, which was technically not US territory. So was John McCain Panamanian? I'm aware that Panama was a "US controlled territory" in 1936, but it was not officially US soil. And he was born on a US air station there. Did air stations have the same "home soil" privileges as, say, embassy grounds?

If I traveled and had my daughter early, she'd still be a US citizen. If I was stationed in Germany, or Korea, or Japan for the US govt, she is a US citizen. I doubt the place where she was actually born would give her rights to full citizenship there.

How many western countries do that?

That's a good point. So why does the USA allow it?

Also, if a pregnant tourist visits the USA and their citizenship is clearly not US, if the child was born on US soil then is that child a US citizen even if the parent does not want that?

Let's say that happens, the child is automagically a US citizen "by birth", and the mother wishes to return home. What is the law if a foreign citizen tries to take an infant US citizen out of the USA? Does that raise any red flags?

 

[Sherkeu]

Sure. But was he "naturally born" one? His place of birth was Panama, which was technically not US territory. So was John McCain Panamanian? I'm aware that Panama was a "US controlled territory" in 1936, but it was not officially US soil. And he was born on a US air station there. Did air stations have the same "home soil" privileges as, say, embassy grounds?

That's a good point. So why does the USA allow it?

Also, if a pregnant tourist visits the USA and their citizenship is clearly not US, if the child was born on US soil then is that child a US citizen even if the parent does not want that?

Let's say that happens, the child is automagically a US citizen "by birth", and the mother wishes to return home. What is the law if a foreign citizen tries to take an infant US citizen out of the USA? Does that raise any red flags?

Dont be ridiculous. Babies have been being born out of their own countries for a long long time. I could have had my kid on a catamaran in the middle of the ocean. She is still a US citizen --- because I AM A CITIZEN and she was birthed out of my body. If it is the father that is the citizen, well, that may need some proof since it did not come out of his body and his input is suspect....know what I mean?

Foreign citizens take their babies out of the US all the time. See my first post please.

A baby can get a passport from the US (if born here) and/or from their home countries' embassy or consulate which will record the birth and provide travel documents for the baby.
It happens ALL THE TIME. Everywhere in the world. Every day. Babies date of arrival are not always predictable. But some do come to the US planning not to leave til after the birth.

 

[dirtywick]

freedom cities with flying cars seems fun, but i know what the republican idea of freedom is and i'm sure they'd want the flying car to run on west virginia coal. the whole thing sounds like a pipe dream.

 

[dirtywick]

Dont be ridiculous. Babies have been being born out of their own countries for a long long time. I could have had my kid on a catamaran in the middle of the ocean. She is still a US citizen --- because I AM A CITIZEN and she was birthed out of my body. If it is the father that is the citizen, well, that may need some proof since it did not come out of his body and his input is suspect....know what I mean?

Foreign citizens take their babies out of the US all the time. See my first post please.

A baby can get a passport from the US (if born here) and/or from their home countries' embassy or consulate which will record the birth and provide travel documents for the baby.
It happens ALL THE TIME. Everywhere in the world. Every day. Babies date of arrival are not always predictable. But some do come to the US planning not to leave til after the birth.

they're foreign until i see the long form

 

[lobosrul5]

These people can pay the Chinese fine. My kids school had plenty of chinese parents, the majority in fact, born in China. Forgive me if I believe them over your reasons.
Maybe they are judging in error and lying to me.

But you tell me what it should be so as not to give an incentive to women just coming to give birth here to get birth rights for their kids without any immigration status. Or perhaps you think it is perfectly fine. I dont.

I'm confused. Your school has many kids with Chinese parents, and you are concluding that they are anchor babies, and the parents aren't being deported because...?

For a solution. Gee I dunno, don't give pregnant women a tourist visa.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Not ONE of any of the perfect, flawless, wonderful glorious socialist Utopias of Europe that does everything better than us and never lets us forget has Birthright Citizens. Only a tiny few minor exceptions on the entire Continents of Europe, Asia, and Africa have it while it is nearly universal on the American Continent.

The GOP is still wrong and wrong for the wrong reasons, but the "Every other country has figured out gun control and universal healthcare" argument also applies here.

Being able to make it across the border to have a baby isn't something other countries have to put up with.

 

[Darat]

These are some of the the big ideas Republicans are pushing for 2024

1. A ‘mental competency’ test for candidates over 75
2. Raise the voting age
3. Raise the retirement age to save Social Security and Medicare
4. End birthright citizenship
5. Build ‘freedom cities’ and develop flying cars
6. Repeal sentencing reform

I would not object to a mental competency test, if it actually worked, and was for all candidates.

I would prefer the voting age be lowered than raised. Allowing the military to vote at age 18 and not others, reeks of Starship Trooper crap.

I would prefer to see Social Security not taxed for middle and lower income retirees, and the wealthiest not get any SS at all.

Good luck amending the Constitution to revoke birthright citizenship and raising the voting age.

I can see these "freedom cities" being another place for rich landlords to build company towns to fleece their workers.

The US has no business imposing the death penalty when we suck at making sure people are not wrongly convicted.

Ranb

1. A ‘mental competency’ test for candidates over 75
2. Raise the voting age
3. Raise the retirement age to save Social Security and Medicare
4. End birthright citizenship
5. Build ‘freedom cities’ and develop flying cars
6. Repeal sentencing reform
7. Abolish the IRS
8. Abolish Dept Education
9. Abolish Dept Commerce
10. Abolish Dept Energy

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

These are some of the the big ideas Republicans are pushing for 2024



I would not object to a mental competency test, if it actually worked, and was for all candidates.

I would prefer the voting age be lowered than raised. Allowing the military to vote at age 18 and not others, reeks of Starship Trooper crap.

I would prefer to see Social Security not taxed for middle and lower income retirees, and the wealthiest not get any SS at all.

Good luck amending the Constitution to revoke birthright citizenship and raising the voting age.

I can see these "freedom cities" being another place for rich landlords to build company towns to fleece their workers.

The US has no business imposing the death penalty when we suck at making sure people are not wrongly convicted.

Ranb

On the birthright citizenship and voting age matters, they'll simply issue a decree and have their tame Roland Freiselers declare it constitutional. Once you can make the second amendment mean the opposite of what it says, you can make anything "constitutional".

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Not ONE of any of the perfect, flawless, wonderful glorious socialist Utopias of Europe that does everything better than us and never lets us forget has Birthright Citizens. Only a tiny few minor exceptions on the entire Continents of Europe, Asia, and Africa have it while it is nearly universal on the American Continent.

The GOP is still wrong and wrong for the wrong reasons, but the "Every other country has figured out gun control and universal healthcare" argument also applies here.

Being able to make it across the border to have a baby isn't something other countries have to put up with.

We had it until Goebbels McDowell introduced a constitutional amendment when he was minister for justice (on behalf of the Fianna Fail/Desocrat government of the day) and spent the best part of three months lying through his teeth about pregnant women coming over from Africa in their thousands to have anchor babies. The stats at the time showed that about 95% of children born in Ireland of foreign parents were either children of other EU nationals or children who were entitled to Irish citizenship through the granny rule. Most children born to African parents were either children of one Irish parent or children of parents who were either permanent residents or who had lived in the country long enough to be themselves citizens, should they have applied.

I am still bulling over the results of that referendum.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Dont be ridiculous. Babies have been being born out of their own countries for a long long time. I could have had my kid on a catamaran in the middle of the ocean. She is still a US citizen --- because I AM A CITIZEN and she was birthed out of my body. If it is the father that is the citizen, well, that may need some proof since it did not come out of his body and his input is suspect....know what I mean?

Foreign citizens take their babies out of the US all the time. See my first post please.

A baby can get a passport from the US (if born here) and/or from their home countries' embassy or consulate which will record the birth and provide travel documents for the baby.
It happens ALL THE TIME. Everywhere in the world. Every day. Babies date of arrival are not always predictable. But some do come to the US planning not to leave til after the birth.

Cool. So a Mexican mother taking her newborn back to Mexico after a brief stay in the USA is quite OK. So what's everyone complaining about?

 

[Trebuchet]

Cool. So a Mexican mother taking her newborn back to Mexico after a brief stay in the USA is quite OK. So what's everyone complaining about?

The Mexico part. If she was British, it'd be just fine.

 

[Sherkeu]

The Mexico part. If she was British, it'd be just fine.

Why? Because being British means being...what.. exactly?
I know you can't mean there is a standard British appearance or skin color these days.

Perhaps more likely to arrive at an airport with paperwork, like most foreign visitors do from such a far away places, including travelers in the Americas south of here if you can believe it!?

I don't think there is any crisis so far in British mothers causing health service shortages with their unexpected birth visits to border hospitals. So yeah, I'd agree it is not a focus.