2004 Voting Strategy

[Ed]

Both Bush and Kerry induce a serious feeling of nausea in me. My current thought is to vote for some third party candidate and then vote the stright ticket in opposition of whoever looks like the winner. I figure 4 years of immobility is better than giving either one of these sheep abusers a majority.

What are you guys going to do?

 

[Tmy]

Well I really do want Bush out, that means voting for Kerry. I think after the conventions we'll get into what they stand for. Maybe some debates will change peoples minds. Last election the debates were so lame cause Bush/Gore didnt want to rock the boat. This time they should be some real sparks.

 

[hgc]

Ed,

I am not going to vote to allow Bush to appoint supreme court justices, and to have them confirmed by the Senate, so that he can continue with his program of theocratizing America, stripping citizens of their right to due process before the law, starting wars of aggression on pretense and phony evidence while our real enemies slip away, putting ideology ahead of science and rationality, and generally pursuing a program of regression toward medievalism.

I'll vote for Kerry as a positive step. You, apparently, will avoid making a real choice about the future of our country, and choose instead to fart in the wind.

- h

 

[wjousts]

Ed,

I am not going to vote to allow Bush to appoint supreme court justices, and to have them confirmed by the Senate, so that he can continue with his program of theocratizing America, stripping citizens of their right to due process before the law, starting wars of aggression on pretense and phony evidence while our real enemies slip away, putting ideology ahead of science and rationality, and generally pursuing a program of regression toward medievalism.

I'll vote for Kerry as a positive step. You, apparently, will avoid making a real choice about the future of our country, and choose instead to fart in the wind.

- h

What he said

 

[Ed]

Well I really do want Bush out, that means voting for Kerry. I think after the conventions we'll get into what they stand for. Maybe some debates will change peoples minds. Last election the debates were so lame cause Bush/Gore didnt want to rock the boat. This time they should be some real sparks.

Let's see what Bush'e people negotiate. When was that last time there was a "debate"? It's more like sound bites.

 

[Sloe_Bohemian]

the time to seek a qualified candidate for President has passed... primaries are over. I hope you were active then... or else I feel your entire concern in invalid.

Regardless, we have what we have available as tools to build up America. And they are tools.


1) Vote on election day and vote Kerry. It's a vote against Bush, 'nuff said.


2) Do what you can to get some people to fall off the fence and vote Kerry. Volunteer to make some calls and provide rides to voting precincts, get early absentee ballots in the hands of people who appear apathetic or disenfranchised, etc.


3) Stop trying to affect the world by supporting your favorite fringe group in presidential elections. You want to see The Green party become effective? Elect Green people locally. The biggest influence on your life (until your son dies in Iraq or the FBI haul you off to Guantanamo) is your local government. So get some mayors and state reps, then some congresspeople who belong to the groups you like... do that FIRST... and keep them out of our way during the presidential election... we need to vote out the clown and your vote for some 3rdParty is a vote for Bush.


4) Get involved with your local Kerry campaign... I don't mean to be one of his adoring drones... but to be able to attend rallies where you might get to question Kerry in town hall meetings or such. Don't be the sheep abuser who whines about who's running... be the person who stands up and tells Kerry you're on the fence... you have issues that concern you... here they are... this is what I want... what you gonna do? Get your friends (who agree with you) to also write Kerry letters and attend events and push POLICY not the Person... don't let Kerry drift further to the right in order to court voters... make yourself the vote he courts... but in the end, vote Kerry and never doubt it... just don't send him that message. But do it anyway and quit yer' yapping.

 

[Ed]

Ed,

I am not going to vote to allow Bush to appoint supreme court justices, and to have them confirmed by the Senate, so that he can continue with his program of theocratizing America, stripping citizens of their right to due process before the law, starting wars of aggression on pretense and phony evidence while our real enemies slip away, putting ideology ahead of science and rationality, and generally pursuing a program of regression toward medievalism.

I'll vote for Kerry as a positive step. You, apparently, will avoid making a real choice about the future of our country, and choose instead to fart in the wind.

- h

You make good points however it is entirely unclear what exactly Kerry will do. I don't particularly wish to see a strong leftward swing in the SC either. You will note that Kerry has not condemmed the Iraq fiasco and did vote Bush his Godlike powers (which he is now, or would be heir to).

I think consideration, while it may seem fart-like to you, is preferable to knee jerk ABB. IMO, naturally.

 

[Bentspoon]

a Vote against

I am looking forward to the most important voting decision of my life as I perceive it. Vote Bush out

I would vote for the Geico Gecko to get Bush out. His regime is against everything I hold dear in this country. I certainly didn't vote for him Florida f**ked elections and I was afraid for what he would do.

We have to get him out before he can rescind anymore human rights - before he can change the Supreme Court - before he completely does away with the National Parks - before he permanently damages the middle class.

He is operating on what God tells him to do and that is dangerous. Anyone who gets down on their knees to get an answer from the invisible sky fairy is somewhat psychotic in my book and that just scares me.

His cabinet is an abysmal collection of men corrupted by money and religion. False morals abound.

Bin Laden, Iraq are his legacy and he has been a total failure.

Time for a new era. Vote him out.

Bentspoon

 

[AtheistArchon]

- This is probably the easiest moral decision I've ever had to make.

- Is Kerry perfect? No. Is he my ideal president? No. Is he standing up against several of the assbackwards and capitally asinine policies and agendas of the Bush administration that plague me personally? Yes, and right now, that's enough. Nooo contest, Kerry gets my vote.

- I really DO wish there were more choices! I wouldn't mind a three, four, or five party system. But the way I see it, now isn't the time for that debate; booting Bush is far more important for me.

- I'd like to have seen what Clark would be like right now, but meh.

 

[Brian]

I'm apolitical for the most part, or maybe apathetic is a better term for it. I've seen Presidents come and go and none of them has had any impact on my life at all. I'm 31 and I've never registered to vote.
I'm going to vote against Bush this next election.

 

[hgc]

You make good points however it is entirely unclear what exactly Kerry will do. I don't particularly wish to see a strong leftward swing in the SC either. You will note that Kerry has not condemmed the Iraq fiasco and did vote Bush his Godlike powers (which he is now, or would be heir to).

I think consideration, while it may seem fart-like to you, is preferable to knee jerk ABB. IMO, naturally.

No, we don't know exactly what Kerry will do, and he probably doesn't even know exactly what he'll do. I think I know enough that I am entirely comfortable with that choice.

But that was easy for me, since I am fairly lefty anyway. People such as you may have to go through a paradigm shift to vote for a Democrat for president, and I understand that the choice isn't easy. I sense, conservative though you are, that we agree that Bush's presidency is an affront to decency, religious plurality, economic sanity and common sense. If you can hold your nose long enough to pull that lever in a vote for Kerry, you'll be doing the right thing.

By the way, I live in New York, so my vote, in a way, is going against a foregone conclusion that Kerry will win this state. If you live in a battleground state, your vote counts for a lot. Please exercise it tell all your friends to as well. THIS IS A CALL TO ALL VOTERS IN PENNSYLVANIA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, OHIO, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, MINNESOTA, IOWA, MISSOURI, COLORADO, FLORIDA, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA, OREGON AND WEST VIRGINIA.

That's my Howard Dean impersonation for the day.

 

[hgc]

By the way, James Randi is a politically conservative fellow, isn't he? Does anyone know where he stands in this election season? Will he take a public stand in favor of rationality in government? (Sorry for the loaded question. )

Mr. Randi, care to weigh in?

We encourage all naturalized ex-Canadian, escape-artist, sleight-of-hand genius, Houdini-esque, investigators of paranormal buffoonery to vote Kerry in November. Especially if they live in, um, Florida.

 

[Ed]

No, we don't know exactly what Kerry will do, and he probably doesn't even know exactly what he'll do. I think I know enough that I am entirely comfortable with that choice.

But that was easy for me, since I am fairly lefty anyway. People such as you may have to go through a paradigm shift to vote for a Democrat for president, and I understand that the choice isn't easy. I sense, conservative though you are, that we agree that Bush's presidency is an affront to decency, religious plurality, economic sanity and common sense. If you can hold your nose long enough to pull that lever in a vote for Kerry, you'll be doing the right thing.

By the way, I live in New York, so my vote, in a way, is going against a foregone conclusion that Kerry will win this state. If you live in a battleground state, your vote counts for a lot. Please exercise it tell all your friends to as well. THIS IS A CALL TO ALL VOTERS IN PENNSYVANIA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, OHIO, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, MINNESOTA, IOWA, MISSOURI, COLORADO, FLORIDA, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA, OREGON AND WEST VIRGINIA.

That's my Howard Dean impersonation for the day.

Actually, I don't consider myself a conservative particularly. I voted for B last time because I was averse to having an alien in the white house.(see note) It was Clinton before that. What I am not is a knee jerk anything. Why do I think that your vote was decided right after the 2000 election and now you are justifying it? Is that so?

Note.. Actually one specific event deep sixed Gore for me. He was at some event (debate?) in Harlem and some black "leader" made a reference to the "Department of Injustice". Now, this sallow faced, liver lillied SOB was VP at the time and he allowed some rabble rousing character to defame a part of our system of which he was second in command of without a whimper (actually, he may have whimpered). That lack of guts and repudiation of his office annoyed me.

 

[zakur]

I will be voting for Kerry.

And I say this as a registered Republican who voted for George H. W. Bush (twice), Bob Dole, and George W. Bush in the previous four presidential elections.

My disappointment in and disapproval of the Bush II administration is so profound that I would vote for any candidate the Dems put up against him (with the possible exception of Hillary Clinton).

 

[RichardR]

I am not going to vote to allow Bush to appoint supreme court justices, and to have them confirmed by the Senate, so that he can continue with his program of theocratizing America, stripping citizens of their right to due process before the law, starting wars of aggression on pretense and phony evidence while our real enemies slip away, putting ideology ahead of science and rationality, and generally pursuing a program of regression toward medievalism.

I'll vote for Kerry as a positive step. You, apparently, will avoid making a real choice about the future of our country, and choose instead to fart in the wind.- h

I've nothing to add to that.

 

[Grammatron]

No, we don't know exactly what Kerry will do, and he probably doesn't even know exactly what he'll do. I think I know enough that I am entirely comfortable with that choice.

But that was easy for me, since I am fairly lefty anyway. People such as you may have to go through a paradigm shift to vote for a Democrat for president, and I understand that the choice isn't easy. I sense, conservative though you are, that we agree that Bush's presidency is an affront to decency, religious plurality, economic sanity and common sense. If you can hold your nose long enough to pull that lever in a vote for Kerry, you'll be doing the right thing.

By the way, I live in New York, so my vote, in a way, is going against a foregone conclusion that Kerry will win this state. If you live in a battleground state, your vote counts for a lot. Please exercise it tell all your friends to as well. THIS IS A CALL TO ALL VOTERS IN PENNSYLVANIA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, OHIO, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, MINNESOTA, IOWA, MISSOURI, COLORADO, FLORIDA, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA, OREGON AND WEST VIRGINIA.

That's my Howard Dean impersonation for the day.

Just out of curiosity which part of Kerry's campaign issues are you and things he plans to do if elected are you impressed with the most and which the least?

 

[Phrost]

No, we don't know exactly what Kerry will do, and he probably doesn't even know exactly what he'll do. I think I know enough that I am entirely comfortable with that choice.

But that was easy for me, since I am fairly lefty anyway. People such as you may have to go through a paradigm shift to vote for a Democrat for president, and I understand that the choice isn't easy. I sense, conservative though you are, that we agree that Bush's presidency is an affront to decency, religious plurality, economic sanity and common sense. If you can hold your nose long enough to pull that lever in a vote for Kerry, you'll be doing the right thing.

By the way, I live in New York, so my vote, in a way, is going against a foregone conclusion that Kerry will win this state. If you live in a battleground state, your vote counts for a lot. Please exercise it tell all your friends to as well. THIS IS A CALL TO ALL VOTERS IN PENNSYLVANIA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, OHIO, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, MINNESOTA, IOWA, MISSOURI, COLORADO, FLORIDA, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA, OREGON AND WEST VIRGINIA.

That's my Howard Dean impersonation for the day.

You left out the pterodactyl screech.

 

[Nasarius]

By the way, I live in New York, so my vote, in a way, is going against a foregone conclusion that Kerry will win this state.

Same here. I think, if the opinion polls in New York have Kerry up by at least 10 points close to the election, I'll vote for David Cobb just to give the Green Party some more support.
It baffles me that anyone who's not a fundamentalist anti-science Christian could want to keep things the way they are. If Bush gets another four years, it's very likely he's going to get to appoint one or two Supreme Court justices. That could be very, very bad.

 

[Solitaire]

What are you guys going to do?

For years I was a democratic party voter then after the last election
I encounted the libertarians on this board and they've altered my mind.
I won't be voting that way again. I'm currently looking at both Ralph Nader
and David Cobb.

 

[hgc]

Re: Re: 2004 Voting Strategy

For years I was a democratic party voter then after the last election
I encounted the libertarians on this board and they've altered my mind.
I won't be voting that way again. I'm currently looking at both Ralph Nader
and David Cobb.

Score one for Shane!

Why aren't you voting for Badnarik? He's only 3 badges short of Eagle Scout.