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10^23

arthwollipot

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Anyone else participating in 10^23 this year?

I’m Andrew Gould, the host of the Rational Capital podcast. On the 6th of February, in partnership with the Canberra Skeptics incorporated, I will be participating in the global 10-23 event.

It has been my observation, and that of others in the skeptical movement, that most members of the public do not understand what homeopathy really is. Most people seem to think that the adjective “homeopathic” is the equivalent of “herbal”, or “natural”. They consider homeopathy the same way they consider vitamins, or health supplements, when in fact homeopathy is a very different kind of product.


We will not be making a claim about whether or not homeopathy actually works. Instead, we will be demonstrating to the public how homeopathy is prepared. We will be making a 30C homeopathic preparation of hydrochloric acid, demonstrating the principles of dilution and succussion. The public will be able to make up their own mind whether to spend money on elaborately and expensively prepared water.


Both the Australian Skeptics $100,000 prize and the James Randi Educational Foundation’s million dollar prize will be offered to any homeopath or member of the public who can distinguish by any means the homeopathic preparation from plain water.


This event will begin at 10:23am on Sunday 6th February, to coincide with associated events across the world. For further details closer to the date, visit rationalcapital.com.au.
http://rationalcapital.com.au/2011/01/10-23-campaign-in-canberra/
 
I won't go about scheduling an event in my city, but if one is organized, I will attend (work schedule permitting).


ETA: I just found a local event but it does conflict with work so I cannot attend.
 
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1) I'm working a 12 hour shift that day.

2) It's my birthday.

3) It's Super Bowl Sunday (and the Pittsburgh Steelers WILL be in it.)

I've got better things to do.
 
I did the mass overdose stunt last year, outside a Boots store, with my local 'Skeptics in the Pub group'. We got on local news. I ate a whole pack of arsenic. :boxedin:

I know this year there's a mass stunt planned in Manchester as part of the QED Skeptical Conference in February
 
They've got a 50% chance of winning the prize? :confused:

No. I don't know the exact protocol myself, but I imagine it would involve taking both preparations and putting them in 10 identical pairs of containers each. Double-blinded, the person trying to claim the prize has to identify which one of each pair is the homeopathic remedy. Statistics aren't my strong point but I believe a success rate of 8 out of 10 would be seen as significant.
 
Both the Australian Skeptics $100,000 prize and the James Randi Educational Foundation’s million dollar prize will be offered to any homeopath or member of the public who can distinguish by any means the homeopathic preparation from plain water.

So I can watch them prepare it, and label which ones are which accordingly? :)

Woohoo, million dollars here I come!
 
No. I don't know the exact protocol myself, but I imagine it would involve taking both preparations and putting them in 10 identical pairs of containers each. Double-blinded, the person trying to claim the prize has to identify which one of each pair is the homeopathic remedy. Statistics aren't my strong point but I believe a success rate of 8 out of 10 would be seen as significant.

One might ask for a more rigorous test. The probability of getting eight or more right by chance is broadly in the neighborhood of one half of one percent. In any case, the exact numbers are not as important as knowing that a test could be devised with a 1/100,000th or 1/1,000,000th chance of random success (depending on the prize value).
 
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One might ask for a more rigorous test. The probability of getting eight or more right by chance is broadly in the neighborhood of one half of one percent.

That seems reasonable. Don't forget that there are two stages to the JREF Challenge. Getting 8 out of 10 right would see you pass the preliminary testing and be eligible for the actual test itself.
 
One might ask for a more rigorous test. The probability of getting eight or more right by chance is broadly in the neighborhood of one half of one percent. In any case, the exact numbers are not as important as knowing that a test could be devised with a 1/100,000th or 1/1,000,000th chance of random success (depending on the prize value).
Yes, but for brevity's sake one would not outline the entire protocol in a press release.
 
Yes, but for brevity's sake one would not outline the entire protocol in a press release.

I'm pretty sure 8/10 would be right. While I, of course, don't know the ins and outs of how protocol is decided, I've seen Randi test dowsers twice and both times he used the figure of 8/10 as being significant. Of course, none of the people in any of the tests scored higher than you would by chance.
 
Well the Meetup announcement only went out yesterday. I'm sure more will RSVP. I haven't quite decided yet. I have another commitment, but I could probably make other arrangements.

Okay, thanks. I was wondering why more groups throughout the US are not participating (at least according to the main web site).

I used to live In Atlanta--went to Manuel's with friends who loved the place. :)
 
I wonder what would happen if you gave a "believer" in H/P a bottle of _water_ (that is, just straight water, with no rituals performed on it), calling it H/P. If they still got "effects", then you could break it to them and maybe they could see that H/P "remedies" are a pile of crap.
 

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