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To help oz and Jango keep their discussion next door clean, I propose us bystanders comment mostly here. Thanks to oz for OPing this! http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292837 :popcorn1 :popcorn2 :popcorn1:

Statement #1 - Building collapse is the result of multiples and successive structural failures that occur at a certain period of time. The collapse (global or partial) occurs when the structure (or part of it) becomes no longer able to support the loads. Statement #2 - Fire can cause structural...

Just out of curiousity, since someone jogged my thinking about this today, how much of a "jolt" is seen as each floor of a conventionally-demolished building hits the ground, compared to the collapse of the WTC towers from the top down?

"Fuji Bank had torn up the 81st floor, he said, and stripped it down to the bare bone to reinforce the trusses so that the floor could hold more weight. Then they had built a raised floor and filled the entire floor with server-size Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) batteries. ... But were...

We often hear from truthers who swear that the idea of the steel weakening and then the buildings (wtc1, 2 and 7) collapsing is just not possible. Yet we have numerous examples from other building fires that unprotected steeel, and even fireproofed steel can and will fail during regular fires...

I have asked the bolded question below of several truthers in the JREF across multiple threads. I have yet to get a response, let alone an attempt to answer. At this point I can only assume that it cannot be answered. I decided to put the question in it's own thread so I'm not spamming in...

Hello, I would like to encourage anyone holding the view/opinion/belief that that attacks of September 11th 2001 on WTC1, WTC 2, and the pentagon where a covert operation/inside job by the Bush admin/Mossad/C.I.A/ N.W.O/I.R.A/K.A.O.S/C.O.N.T.R.O.L to rationalize the following - succinctly and...

Trying to argue that the amount of demolitions needed to destroy the twin towers would have taken to long to plant and rig is a logical stalemate. If a plane slamming into WTC 1 & 2 was enough to make them fall, then no explosives were needed. If explosives needed to be planted, then any...

I've seen some recent discussion relative to the catenary forces that pulled the perimeter columns in WTC 2. I was wondering if this has been taking into account: http://undicisettembre.blogspot.com/2007/06/ups-on-81st-floor-of-wtc2.html I think NIST didn't consider that factor directly, as...

My position was outlined in the "nose-out" thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5431133#post5431133 post #1056 . Fonebone > Witnesses saw and heard a CALCM CRUISE missile disguised as a miniature jumbo jet. Split from: Stundie Finals for 2009.

Salma Hayek stepped out of the shower flushed and wet. Her tiny waist accentuated the … “Corazon” she interrupted, “I’ve been wondering. If explosives had been planted in the Twin Towers, exactly where were they placed and how much. All I’ve been able to find is that Tony Szamboti claims...

Hello. Why dont we do a World Trade Center in a virtual world like Second Life or similar programs but with a moving background scenary of the plane krasches, then the fires and the collaps (explosions) of the buildings. Like a virtual movie of the catastrofy with a time line through the event...

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen doi...

How many tons of explosives would it take to take down the Twin Towers? And if demolitions were planted how come nobody noticed anything?

I can't believe this thread still exists, much less is still stickied. Whoever believes that either of the WTC buildings came down because of "fire" is either utterly misinformed, is paid or pressured to propagate this nonsense, or is so completely devout in sticking to a certain, hilariously...

In another thread Dictator Cheney, in an attempt to show that firefighters know there were bombs in the towers, wrote: So this thread is for him or any other truther to list the names of firefighters on the scene who believe it was bombs that caused the towers to collapse and killed hundreds...

What is the official science paper that describes the science of the twin towers collapse? I think i am correct in saying that the NIST did not describe the actual collapse, they described why the collapse would initiate, and then just said that it was a 'pancake collapse' or progressive...

In order to not pollute the original thread by delving into a specific sub-topic with a number of replies by non-conspiracists, I am starting a new thread. In the thread "Twoofers Only:", Jhunter asks Conspiracy Theorists to list some of the things about which they believe Gravy is...

Ryan, In your paper "On Debunking 911 Debunking" you make the statement that one of the reasons the damage to the South Tower core was greater was that the aircraft was only pitched down 6 degrees at impact vs. the 10 degree downward pitch angle of the North Tower aircraft at impact, and that...

As the NIST report rests on the Bazant & Zhou (2002) is the place to start in taking apart the official theory of "collapse" in WTC twin tower on 9/11. The paper is here: http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/405.pdf Point 1 This paper was "rapid communication". It...

LCF has a new hero pushing what I believe to be a new CD theory for WTC1 & WTC2. Mods, If this has already been posted please pull it. http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=18745&st=0&#entry14674183 Conclusions If one concedes that the Twin Towers were...

I have never seen a substantive debunker response to the 503 oral histories gathered by the FDNY in the months after 9/11. Taken together, these long-suppressed witness accounts corroborate controlled demolition of the Twin Towers. Histories...

:hb: I so **** hate that "two isolated pockets of fire" argument. How completly ignorant does one have to be to claim there were only two pockets of fire? I have no words... I once saw a dramatic airial picture on this forum of the North Tower, looking at the south and west side, showing the...

I was reading, as I am occasionally wont to do, over at the Screw Loose Change blog and I came across a post there, wherein a truther was making this oft-heard claim: Which we hear quite a bit, and I know we've timed it and we know it's not accurate. It's one of those long-debunked staples of...

I was over at the Pilots for Truth forum, and I couldn't help but notice one guy's argument: that since so much of the mass of the Twin Towers was ejected outside of their footprints, it had to have been a Controlled Demolition. It's interesting, because...weren't these guys once under the...

I have been casually debating on the Loose Change forums for quite a while now and I have encountered only 2 claims that appeared to have serious merit initially. These are: Miragememories' claim that 590mph is far too fast for the more severe estimate of impact (sourced from articles I am not...

Obviously both videos show a missile, but is it the same missile? Is the timing the same in respect to the explosion of WTC 2? Is the trajectory the same? Are both missiles traveling at the same speed? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49NZWGWNGz8...

175 did NOT hit the South tower. A remote controlled flight from Offutt AFB did. 1. Raytheon, in Aug 2001, flew a passenger jet, take off – flight around – landing. (Der Spiegel). 2. Raytheon deal in small executive jets, there is no reason for them to fly large passenger planes by remote...

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9843 Do-over's got a new video clip up on the LC forum and the troofers are salivating. I dunno, but it looks like the cameraman didn't think to stop recording as he turned and ran like hell. Agreed. About the 'too thick'...

Consider this hypothetical scenario: A decision has been made to bring a WTC-type tower down in a controlled manner. The reasons are legitimate and irrelevant. Time is taken to prepare the building in the proper way and the site is evacuated in advance. If all of the core columns were blown...