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founding fathers

  1. Trakar

    2nd Amendment: the Founders on Gun Control

    While doing a bit of light reading this weekend, I ran across this article which seemed both timely and interesting. As a preface, as many of you know I am quite Progressive in my public policy preferences. However, there are many areas where I disagree with a great many American Progressives...
  2. Lowpro

    Daily show interview with David Barton

    Thought it was worth posting here to let you guys watch and post comments on. I like how Barton addresses the cherry picking of Jefferson's letters to portray him as an atheist knowing full well Jefferson never was. I also like their comments on what secular means, or at least, what it means to...
  3. Undesired Walrus

    Fareed Zakaria: The founding fathers

    Taken from his last Charlie Rose interview: Whenever we have a problem, we tend to think that our Constitution is the best ever created in the history of the world. The people who wrote the Constitution were demi-gods, it never needs to be changed. Our political system is the best in the world...
  4. JudeBrando

    July 4, 1776 - July 4, 2011

    The Declaration of Independence. What a magnificent document. I just read it for the first time in years. Read it again yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence That was then. This is now. Surely, we are so much smarter now. Surely, most here are...
  5. The Charnel Expanse

    here's something I've never been able to grasp

    Why do so many CTers - particularly those in the freeman/militia movements and those who generally espouse "libertarian" viewpoints use The Constitution and violations thereof by the government and other various "shadowy elite" organizations as a core tenet of there beliefs while also vilifying...
  6. Q

    Christians angry about atheist billboards, launch their own project with fiction

    So a group of Christians angry about billboards put up by atheists have launched a response. These ads have early American leaders like John Adams, James Madison and Benjamin Franklin with quotes about a national need for Christian governance. The only catch is that the quotes are made up...
  7. P

    Quotes of founding fathers

    As an atheist in the south I often hear the claim that america was founded as a christian nation. I usually like to respond by point out the things that the founding fathers said and other facts that show otherwise. I have noticed that I have a deficit as most of the sites I am aware of that...
  8. Bikewer

    Founding Faith- New book

    Just listened to another interesting Fresh Air segment with Steven Waldman, author of Founding Faith: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88096495 Waldman examines the beliefs and politics of America from the colonies up though the Revolution and beyond, debunking many of the...
  9. N

    Why do conspiracy nuts worship the Founding Fathers, yet hate the Freemason/Elites?

    One of the things I seem to notice in Conspiracy circles is they have this great admiration for the Founding Fathers yet they hate the Freemasons which some were and the Elite which all of them were. This paradox surprises me in that they have this hate for "the New World Order" yet treat there...
  10. Spindrift

    Christian Founded vs White Founded

    Isn't the premise that because the USA was founded by Christians that therefore the USA is a Christian nation remarkably similar to the neo-Nazi's claim that since the USA was founded by white men that the nation is a white nation? Societies, hopefully, change and grow. Just because group X was...
  11. brodski

    Why are the views of the USA’s Founding Fathers still relevant?

    Why are the views of the USA’s Founding Fathers still relevant? Inspired by this thread over in Religion and Philosophy, http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2347743#post2347743 I have to ask, why are the thoughts, speeches and opinions of past leaders of the USA...
  12. Bone_Vulture

    Were the United States founded on religious fundaments?

    This seems to be one of the favorite claims of the pro-religion groups whenever there's an argument over a decision that'd disturb the separation of church and state in America. I was wondering, does there exist any concrete basis for this claim?
  13. Tony

    The Religious Beliefs of the Founders

    What were the religious beliefs of the FFs? This guy says they were mostly Christian, he uses various quotes by the FF's to support his position. The people who assert the FF's were mostly deist/atheist use the same tactic of using quotes. It looks like the FF's were quoted saying contradictory...
  14. M

    Freemasons and the Founders....

    I was watching a show on the Freemasons last night in which they interviewed some current high level Freemasons in England. What they said was that: a number of the American Founders were indeed Freemasons. the imagery one the dollar bill is indeed Freemason iconography. the Freemasosn do...

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