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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
Some pornographers don't scruple to portray them as underage,
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Perhaps, but we're not talking about those pornographers. We're talking about the producers of "barely legal" content. That phrase - barely legal - is indeed the scruple you say they lack. Barely legal is another way of saying entirely legal.
Poem said:
so I am puzzled by your assertion to the contrary.
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Hopefully I've now cleared up your confusion on this point.
Poem said:
If we assume that director Nolot is correct in stating that such depictions are illegal in most countries (his website asserts only 15 countries allow it), then it's statistically going to be the case that consuming it is going to be illegal (unless, of course, the countries that do allow it are all the high population ones).
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I have no opinion about that. I thought you planned to attack legal porn on its merits, and were looking for someone to defend it on its merits. My defense is that it has the merit of being legal porn. That defense holds true no matter how many people (statistically) smuggle it across borders.
Poem said:
The questing remains: how is this industry getting away with it?
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Because it's legal. No country has the power to prohibit some other country's legal expressions. It's illegal to insult the king of Thailand - if you're in Thailand. I can get away with calling him a womanizing spendthrift and an overall jackass, because it's not illegal here, nor is it illegal where this forum is hosted. Even though officials in Thailand can log in here and read my words if they wish, I can still get away with it because it's still legal for me to do it.
 
Poem - curious about whether you are concerned about the access to porn in print - not pictures but books with descriptions of porn/sex?
 
Just acknowledging that I am behind on a number of posts...was taking a short break from the thread..........
 
Poem said:
I guess I am. Are you?
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I'm totally aphantasic so for me they are just words on a page but for the neurotypical I understand that they will form images in their mind's eye so perhaps it could be an issue. Add into the mix that there is a huge market for porn for women in literature, usually described with the euphemism of "romance". A lot of words to say "I don't know".
 
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Yes, America has a rape culture.

An interesting dynamic happens when a woman accuses a man of sexual assault or harassment. Roles get flipped. Suddenly, the victim becomes the accuser/aggressor/the bad guy and the actual bad guy becomes the victim. In his own mind and in the minds of 3rd parties.

I absolutely saw that in the cases of famous men who got accused.

This even goes across racial lines. When Bill Cosby, a black celebrity, was accused of raping a whole host of white women, I heard white guys defending him (at least at first.)

Their automatic reflex seems to be to assume the woman is lying.

I heard this during the MeToo movement, when Harvey Weinstein and other Hollywood men were accused. They'd snap "My sister would constantly accuse men of rape! If a guy didn't bang her during a date, she'd cry rape!"

Me thinks these people doth protest too much. Makes me wonder what they've been up to.
 
BartholomewWest said:
Yes, America has a rape culture.

An interesting dynamic happens when a woman accuses a man of sexual assault or harassment. Roles get flipped. Suddenly, the victim becomes the accuser/aggressor/the bad guy and the actual bad guy becomes the victim. In his own mind and in the minds of 3rd parties.
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That's not rape culture. That's civil society. You accuse someone of a crime, you're expected to back it up. That's the dynamic you're talking about.

I absolutely saw that in the cases of famous men who got accused.
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Celebrities are still entitled to defend themselves against accusations, and demand that their accusers prove their claims.

This even goes across racial lines. When Bill Cosby, a black celebrity, was accused of raping a whole host of white women, I heard white guys defending him (at least at first.)
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What a bizarre take! People didn't want to believe the worst about Cosby, because he was a major cultural touchstone for generations of Americans. Not because they're crypto-racists who hate black men except when those men are accused of rape.

Which a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid and ahistorical analysis anyway. Black people have always been more vulnerable to accusations than white men. Remember Emmett Till?

Their automatic reflex seems to be to assume the woman is lying.
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Rape is a heinous crime. My automatic reflex is to assume that the woman must absolutely prove her claim, if she's going to persist in it. You can't punish a man for the crime of "alleged rape".

I heard this during the MeToo movement, when Harvey Weinstein and other Hollywood men were accused. They'd snap "My sister would constantly accuse men of rape! If a guy didn't bang her during a date, she'd cry rape!"

Me thinks these people doth protest too much. Makes me wonder what they've been up to.
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Methinks your friend's sister needs psychiatric help, and you need to maybe ease up on your friend.
 
The Guardian: I didn't start out wanting to see kids (5th April 2025):

Now, police, charities, lawyers and child protection experts are asking what is driving this tidal wave of offending, and finding one common thread: the explosion over the past 10 to 20 years of free-to-view and easily accessible online pornography. ....A growing body of research is beginning to warn of how problematic porn habits can be a pathway into viewing images of children being abused.
“I am fully accountable,” Andy tells me on the phone. “None of this is an excuse. I look back at what I did with huge regret and shame. But I didn’t start out wanting to see kids. I was addicted to porn and I went down a road of being totally desensitised as I got further and further from what was normal.
 
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Poem said:

Elon Musk's AI accused of making explicit AI Taylor Swift videos​

www.bbc.co.uk

Pornographic Taylor Swift deepfakes generated by Musk's Grok AI

Grok Imagine's "spicy" mode made explicit videos of Taylor Swift, according to The Verge and Gizmodo.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Most of the bigger companies/organisations have put lots of filters in place to prevent this sort of stuff, xAI's Grok doesn't based on an apparent "free speech" ethos of Twitter's owner. However at the moment it isn't possible to produce very long videos, or rather you'd have something like 7 second sequences linked together - a good story teller can work with that limitation but it ain't going to produce any "traditional" long porn videos.

But that aside there are many, many completely open source AI video generators you can run locally to avoid filters.
 
Darat said:
Most of the bigger companies/organisations have put lots of filters in place to prevent this sort of stuff, xAI's Grok doesn't based on an apparent "free speech" ethos of Twitter's owner. However at the moment it isn't possible to produce very long videos, or rather you'd have something like 7 second sequences linked together - a good story teller can work with that limitation but it ain't going to produce any "traditional" long porn videos.

But that aside there are many, many completely open source AI video generators you can run locally to avoid filters.
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I assume these are covered by the OSA? (I do realise that VPNs are a way around the legislation).
 
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