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NY Times Poll: Large Majority of DEMOCRATS Oppose Transgenders in Women's Sports

AmyStrange said:
I'd still like to see data about every trans playing every women's sport and see how they fared, otherwise you're just making blanket statements with only confirmation bias to back it up.
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What would that data need to show to convince you that transwomen should be allowed to compete as women?

What would that data need to show to convince you that transwomen should not be allowed to compete as women?
 
Pixel42 said:
What would that data need to show to convince you that transwomen should be allowed to compete as women?

What would that data need to show to convince you that transwomen should not be allowed to compete as women?
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What would that data mean to you if it proved that maybe less than 1% have almost always beat every woman, and the other 99% always got their a*** handed to them? I wonder how that would make them feel, getting beat by a woman?

Look, if you want to ban trans in women sports, fine, but I'm not like the maga weirdoes who believe everything trump says. I like some proof with that BS, please.


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Pixel42 said:
So?

Let me ask you this: do you think it's fair for an exceptional woman to lose the women's gold medal to an unexceptional male?
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Never really thought about it, why?

Or you can give me the facts, and I'll think about it after I do my own research, but off hand, no, I don't think it's fair.


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AmyStrange said:
I have nothing against women sports. I love the WNBA, but if we ban trans because they could almost always beat women, then what do we do with someone like Clark who can almost always beat any woman in basketball too?
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Same as you do with a dominant male player in the men's game: let them play.

This is really a semantic argument over the precise definition of the word "woman" in the context of competitive women's sport. It's not complex or confusing. It's biological. Because that's the reason women's categories exist in sport.
 
Pixel42 said:
So?

Let me ask you this: do you think it's fair for an exceptional woman to lose the women's gold medal to an unexceptional male?
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Let me ask you a question. Mixed doubles in tennis are with a male and female on each team, right?

I think tennis one sport is where it doesn't matter if you're a male or a female.

What do you think?


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Jack by the hedge said:
Same as you do with a dominant male player in the men's game: let them play.

This is really a semantic argument over the precise definition of the word "woman" in the context of competitive women's sport. It's not complex or confusing. It's biological. Because that's the reason women's categories exist in sport.
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I agree.

BTW, do you know of any sites that list all the trans in women's sports and how they fared?


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AmyStrange said:
True, but not every male has great stats.
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Let's start over.

Do you believe that women's sports leagues should be required by law to allow a man to compete, if he says he wants to?

Do you believe women's prisons should be required by law to house a male prisoner, if he says that's what he wants?
 
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AmyStrange said:
Never really thought about it, why?
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Because it's the inevitable consequence of allowing biological males to compete as females in sex segregated sports. It's what happened when that transwoman who would have placed 108th in the men's race took the gold medal from the woman who placed first in the women's race.
 
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