Larry Silverstein explaining what he meant by 'pull it'

[alienentity]

Yeah, DGM, I actually posted that same timeline. I was then asked why Barry wasn't at work earlier, and Ergo wondered if he was having coffee. Which I wasn't sure, I didn't ask him.

To be it goes a little something like,

Barry gets to work at around 9:45-9:50. On his way up WTC 2 collapses throwing dust and debris on the ground, since Barry isn't "The flash" I would assume he wouldn't make it up until about 10:00-05. After feeling the ground shake, probably some popping\explosions from WTC 2 coming down, combined with no one in the building, he makes a few phone calls, and is told to get out of the building. We're probably looking at a time pretty close to 10:20-25 right now. Barry starts making his way down, and WTC 1 comes down at 10:28...the rest is history.

I have it slightly differently. Whilst Jennings and Hess were in the 23rd floor OEM apparently the power in the building went out. Hess explicitly states this in a radio interview, found on my video. He reports the lights flickered and the elevators did not work.

Hess also reports that there was smoke already when they began to go down the stairs. This perfectly corroborates the fact that dust and smoke from the collapse of WTC 2 enveloped WTC 7.
We can see this on a video taken just after the South tower collapse, and we also know that fire alarms were triggered in WTC 7 at that time.
Again, this is not speculation.

btw, there are other sources which confirm that power to WTC 7 was lost when WTC 2 collapsed. Hess is able to describe what it was like from their perspective deep inside the building in the OEM, and obviously neither he nor Jennings had any idea that one of the towers had in fact collapsed.

There is nothing mysterious about this when you consider all the facts.

 

[Edx]

Let's try to stay on topic guys. This thread is supposed to be about how Larry was in on the decision to pull the firefighters out of a building when they weren't there

1. Just like I asked you the last time, which you ignored over and over again....

If a building collapses, are you not in any danger the moment you step onto the street outside?

and how, apparently, they were holding up the building themselves while not actually being in the building, since once ordered to evacuate, the building suddenly collapses.

2. Why do you claim that as soon as they evacuated the area the building collapsed? We know for a fact that the collapse zone was set up HOURS before.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Suddenly = two hours later, apparently.

Hmm... Given this observation and that it's now over a decade after the events of 9/11 and truthers are no closer to discovering The Truth™, yet claim to be making some amazing progress, I propose a hypothesis: truthers perceive the passage of time significantly slower than the average human being. Where we perceive the passage of two hours, truthers perceive that same period of time as mere minutes.

 

[twinstead]

Ah, so Truther Time^tm is sort of like dog years...

 

[plague311]

I have it slightly differently. Whilst Jennings and Hess were in the 23rd floor OEM apparently the power in the building went out. Hess explicitly states this in a radio interview, found on my video. He reports the lights flickered and the elevators did not work.

Hess also reports that there was smoke already when they began to go down the stairs. This perfectly corroborates the fact that dust and smoke from the collapse of WTC 2 enveloped WTC 7.
We can see this on a video taken just after the South tower collapse, and we also know that fire alarms were triggered in WTC 7 at that time.
Again, this is not speculation.

btw, there are other sources which confirm that power to WTC 7 was lost when WTC 2 collapsed. Hess is able to describe what it was like from their perspective deep inside the building in the OEM, and obviously neither he nor Jennings had any idea that one of the towers had in fact collapsed.

There is nothing mysterious about this when you consider all the facts.

An skill twoofers don't seem to possess...

 

[DGM]

Let's try to stay on topic guys. This thread is supposed to be about how Larry was in on the decision to pull the firefighters out of a building when they weren't there, and how, apparently, they were holding up the building themselves while not actually being in the building, since once ordered to evacuate, the building suddenly collapses.

Could you translate this to English?

 

[twinstead]

red you DO know that the "IT" Silverstein was referring to in the "pull it" statement was the firefighting effort in general, right? Otherwise he would have said "pull them".

 

[RedIbis]

red you DO know that the "IT" Silverstein was referring to in the "pull it" statement was the firefighting effort in general, right? Otherwise he would have said "pull them".

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

 

[DGM]

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

What time did this conversation take place? Surely you must know if your implying this context.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

I'm glad you also agree that "such a huge loss of life" and "pulling" refer to evacuating and creating a safety zone during search and rescue operations. Since you've taken the opportunity to enlighten us all with your fantastic ability to place context with reading skill.

 

[The Platypus]

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

See this is how ridiculous and pathetic it gets with 911 kiddies.

To protect this ridiculous spin doctored, "pull it" means conspiracy, nonsense, he has to make juvenile attempts to pretend that the firefighters never even were on the scene at all and make an issue out of the choice of a single word...

 

[Edx]

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

How many times do you need to be told the same damn thing, only for you to ignore it?

IT refers to the firefighting and search and rescue operations IN THE AREA.



Now answer my question....

If a building collapses, are you not in any danger the moment you step onto the street outside?

 

[The Big Dog]

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

well, at least you are no longer hiding your contempt for the FDNY any longer.

let the hate flow, Red.

 

[Craig4]

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

That's nice. Until you find some explosives no one needs to be bothered with you.

 

[Brass]

What firefighting effort?

Yeah, guys, I mean, it's not like two planes slammed into buildings next door to WTC7 or anything and that's why the firefighters were around. C'mon people, OPEN YOUR EYES!

 

[twinstead]

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

Seriously? This response is beneath even you red. So in your mind nobody was paying attention to the WTC7 at all, no fire no rescue no search?

 

[alienentity]

What firefighting effort?

And I agree, if he were referring to firefighters, he would have said "them".

It doesn't make any differences whether LS called the firefighters, the search and rescue operations or anything IT or THEM

He didn't make any decision, Chief Nigro did. And here's what Nigro said about it:

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)'


That's the end of the story, RedIbis. It was Nigro's decision, not Larry's. You can push this zombie conspiracy theory on other brain-dead people, but it doesn't wash with anyone else who cares to examine the facts.

If your approach is a good representation of 9/11 Truthers, then the movement is truly a lurching zombie of dead ideas. Now THAT'S scary!

 

[Travis]

~9:30am (more toward 9:40)

Really?

A half hour after two skyscrapers are hit by jetliners they go into another major skyscraper?

Bizarre. I guess there are always people who do unfathomable things in huge events like that.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Really?

A half hour after two skyscrapers are hit by jetliners they go into another major skyscraper?

Bizarre. I guess there are always people who do unfathomable things in huge events like that.

They went in to plant the explosives. You know tha—

Oh. Ohhhhh... I gotcha.

 

[cantonear1968]

It doesn't make any differences whether LS called the firefighters, the search and rescue operations or anything IT or THEM

He didn't make any decision, Chief Nigro did. And here's what Nigro said about it:

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)'


That's the end of the story, RedIbis. It was Nigro's decision, not Larry's. You can push this zombie conspiracy theory on other brain-dead people, but it doesn't wash with anyone else who cares to examine the facts.

If your approach is a good representation of 9/11 Truthers, then the movement is truly a lurching zombie of dead ideas. Now THAT'S scary!

Very good post! The only thing I would add is that Silverstein himself released a statement clarifying what he was talking about. Not that this wasn't already, attempting to argue he meant something else is not based on any facts and nothing more than wishful thinking.

As Alienentity put it, that's the end of the story.
[I've always considered this the dumbest of truther claims.]