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So it begins. Birthright Citizenship repeal

Alferd_Packer said:
One does not "submit" to jurisdiction. You are either subject to it or you are not.
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I know. It's like they're trying to convince the world that if you break a law, then the Constitution doesn't apply to you. This, from the party that's already convinced many that being accused as a terrorist revokes your rights.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Joe, just an FYI. There are two proposals here. The OP is about Steve King, the Congressman from Iowa. His proposal is to amend Federal law. The page I posted is from the group of state legislators led by Russell Peace of Arizona and Pennsylvania state Rep. Daryl Metcalfe. They are trying to change state laws. Both violate the 14th amendment.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Thanks. I wasn't paying attention.

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Titanic Explorer said:
Thomas Jefferson's mother was English, Andrew Jackson's parents were Irish..Do birthers feel these men were unfit to be president?

Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico- in the eyes of a wingnut birther, does that disqualify Mittens from running for president?
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Qualifications to be president are not equal to citizenship. To become president you have to be a natural born citizen. You can actually be a citizen and still not qualify to be president (Schwarzenneger, for example).

If you're merely using the question of fitness for president as a substitute for citizenship (since you do have to be a citizen to be president), then your point is fine. If that's the case, I would just ask whether they think Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson should have been denied the right to vote.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I was thinking the opposite--if birth wasn't enough to grant citizenship, then everybody born in America is not a citizen. Only foreigners who legally emigrated and became naturalized would be citizens, and they couldn't pass that on to their kids because that would be birthright citizenship.
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Right so get out of my damn country right now!!!!!

And until further notice the United States will revert to Dominion status till I have had communication from her Majesty Queen Elizebeth as to what to do with the place

On the upside those still left in the colony get an extra public holiday in June
 
ANTPogo said:
Yeah, but we lose one in July, so that's no good!
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Well I am sure the Canadian would be proud to see another member of the Commonwealth celebrate their national day. We can move it to the nearest Monday and call it could
 
Hypothetica scenario:

50 years in the future, scientists are able to raise invitro-fertilized eggs completely out of the womb. Imagine babies being grown in a washing machine.

In such a scenario, babies are no longer "born". And that means NO natural-born citizenship.

What then? I'm sure synthetic/mechanical wombs aren't that far away.

Would such a child NOT be an American citizen?
 
Kthulhut Fhtagn said:
Oh you're a troll, that's cute.
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hey, Einstein...the ILLEGAL parent(s) can take their children with them when they are deported. Nowhere did I insinuate that the children were to be taken away.

Surely you're not claiming that we should adhere to Birthright citizenship but not to our immigration laws??
 
I'll say it again: America's immigration policies should exactly mirror Mexico's.

whatever they do, we should do.
 
I think Deepatrax is saying that it's ok to let the children be citizens, as long as they starve on the streets and die shortly afterwards because their parents were deported.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I think Deepatrax is saying that it's ok to let the children be citizens, as long as they starve on the streets and die shortly afterwards because their parents were deported.
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You don't want to allow the ILLEGAL parent(s) to take their American children with them when they get deported??

how cruel of you
 
deepatrax said:
You don't want to allow the ILLEGAL parent(s) to take their American children with them when they get deported??

how cruel of you
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Oh, I get ya. Let them be citizens, but force them out via their parent's departure.
 
Thunder said:
Hypothetica scenario:

50 years in the future, scientists are able to raise invitro-fertilized eggs completely out of the womb. Imagine babies being grown in a washing machine.

In such a scenario, babies are no longer "born". And that means NO natural-born citizenship.

What then? I'm sure synthetic/mechanical wombs aren't that far away.

Would such a child NOT be an American citizen?
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They would if you define born as:

"brought into existence"
 
deepatrax said:
hey, Einstein...the ILLEGAL parent(s) can take their children with them when they are deported. Nowhere did I insinuate that the children were to be taken away.

Surely you're not claiming that we should adhere to Birthright citizenship but not to our immigration laws??
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Einstein? Cute. So then what you're saying is that we should grant the children citizenship, deport them and their parents. And allow them to return at anytime so long as Ma and Pa don't come with them. And I take it you consider this a fair compromise?
 
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